Mytho-historical coincidences in the old testament

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Garden of Eden

The word Eden allegedly derives from the Sumerian root word "Edin" meaning "plain" or "steppe".

The name derives from the Akkadian edinnu, from a Sumerian word edin meaning "plain" or "steppe", 
Gu-Edin

It just so happens that there was indeed a historical plain in Sumer named Gu-Edin.

Gu-Edin (also transcribed "Gu'edena" or "Guedena") was a fertile plain in Sumer, in modern-day Iraq. It lay between Umma and Lagash, and claims made on it by each side were a cause of war.[1] Argument over the territory continued for around 150 years.[2]

Jacob/Israel

According to Genesis 46:27 Israel and his entire house of 70 gathered up their livestock and went to meet an unnamed pharoah.

Israel and his entire house of 70,[46] gathered up with all their livestock and began their journey to Egypt.

Userkaf

According to Egyptologists Egyptian fifth dynasty pharoah Userkaf had  70 women and a chieftain sent to Egypt from Canaan.

while the Old Kingdom annals record that he received tribute from a region that is either the Eastern Desert or Canaan in the form of a workforce of one chieftain and 70 foreigners[102] (likely women),[93

The exodus

The Israelites were made to depart Egypt, according to myth.

The Exodus (Hebrew: יציאת מצרים, Yeẓi’at Miẓrayim: lit. 'Departure from Egypt') is the founding myth of the Israelites.[1]
Conquest of the Hyksos

According to Egyptology, Ahmose I did indeed lead a military expulsion of Asiatics out of Egypt during the ancient Egyptian 18th dynasty.

Ahmose began the conquest of Lower Egypt held by the Hyksos starting around the 11th year of Khamudi's reign, but the sequence of events is not universally agreed upon.[25]

King David

King David is alleged to be the first king of the united monarchy of Israel and Judah.

David[b] is described in the Hebrew Bible as king of the United Monarchy of Israel and Judah.[6][
Solomon the temple builder

His son and successor was king Solomon the temple builder.

Solomon (/ˈsɒləmən/Hebrew: שְׁלֹמֹה‎, Shlomoh),[a] also called Jedidiah (Hebrew יְדִידְיָהּ‎ Yedidyah), was, according to the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament,[3] Quran, and Hadiths, a fabulously wealthy and wise king of the United Kingdom of Israel who succeeded his father, King David.[4] 
Osorkon I

By coincidence, Egyptian pharoah Osorkon I the temple builder and second pharoah of Egypts 22nd dynasty appears to have inherited the kingdom of Israel from his father.

The son of Shoshenq I and his chief consort Karomat A, Osorkon I was the second king of ancient Egypt's 22nd Dynasty and ruled around 922 BC – 887 BC. He succeeded his father Shoshenq I, who probably died within a year of his successful 923 BC campaign against the Pilistines and the kingdom of Israel. Osorkon I's reign is known for many temple building projects and was a long and prosperous period of Egypt's History.

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Gu-Edin
Only by tradition, which generally does not have a scholastic source, such as the location of the Garden of Eden, is the garden located in Sumerian territory. There is no empiric evidence of it, certainly not by etymology.

In France and Idaho there are cities called Paris.
In Kansas and Missouri there are adjacent border cities, separated by a sizable stream, both called Kansas City.
There are certainly more examples of these duplications. There happens to be Moscow in both Russia and Idaho. Baghdad in Iraq and California. Shall I go on?

In 6,000 years [or more] which of these will be designated by tradition as the originals?

For all we know, Eden could have been on the American continent, before there were continents. 

The same argument defeats your other mytho-historical coincidences. Why bother?

Let's just accept that a body of writings that we, after-the-fact [for it certainly was not titled such in antiquity, and it did not exist as a single, canonized volume], have dubbed "The Holy Bible," is, as a result of its complicated combining of writings, by various authors, copied, transliterated and translated by others, not all [in fact, by few] by accredited professionals, a sure coincidental contradiction which has, never the less, for the most part, wise counsel not to be taken lightly, and which has, regardless, methods of proper living, shared with most of the world's various religions. Is it the Word of God? Ask him. Who else has the appropriate answer? Some Sumerian?
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Only by tradition, which generally does not have a scholastic source, such as the location of the Garden of Eden, is the garden located in Sumerian territory. There is no empiric evidence of it, certainly not by etymology.
Garden of Eden

The theory that the Garden of Eden was based in Sumeria does appear to be gaining support however.

Another favorite locale for the Garden had been Turkey, because both the Tigris and the Euphrates rise inthe mountains there, and because Mount Ararat, where Noah's Ark came to rest, is there. In the pasthundred years. since the discovery of ancient civilizations in modern Iraq, scholars have leaned toward theTigris-Euphrates valley in general, and to the sites of southern Sumer, about 150 miles north of the presenthead of the Persian Gulf, in particular (map, above).To this southern Sumerian theory Dr. Juris Zarins, of Southwest Missouri State University in Springfield,would murmur: "You're getting warmer. For Dr. Zarins, who has spent seven years working out his ownhypothesis, believes that the Garden of Eden lies presently under the waters of the Persian Gulf, and hefurther believes that the story of Adam and Eve in-and especially out-of the Garden is a highly condensedand evocative account of perhaps the greatest revolution that ever shook mankind: the shift from huntinggathering to agriculture.
Adam

In support for the theory that Gu-Edin could be worth looking at as a historical root for the legend, I would also point to a coincidence within a coincidence.

The coincidence being that the Garden of Eden was supposed to be the location for a king named Adam. Adam was the first man.

Like the Genesis flood narrative, the Genesis creation narrative and the account of the Tower of Babel, the story of Eden echoes the Mesopotamian myth of a king, as a primordial man, who is placed in a divine garden to guard the Tree of Life.[10] 
Eannatum

It just so happens that a king named Eannatum may be regarded as one of the first emperors in history, and he waged a war against Umma over the fertile plain of Gu-Edin.

Eannatum (Sumerian: 𒂍𒀭𒈾𒁺 É.AN.NA-tum2) was a Sumerian Ensi (ruler or king) of Lagash circa 2500–2400 BCE. He established one of the first verifiable empires in history: he subdued Elam and destroyed the city of Susa as well as several other Iranian cities, and extended his domain to Sumer and Akkad.[1] One inscription found on a boulder states that Eannatum was his Sumerian name, while his "Tidnu" (Amorite) name was Lumma.

He entered into conflict with Umma, waging a war over the fertile plain of Gu-Edin.[1] 

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The theory that the Garden of Eden was based in Sumeria does appear to be gaining support however.

 Many of the Old Testament biblical stories are lifted from  ancient Sumerian epics.. This is a proven fact. They were likely to have been copied during the exile in Babylon.
ABRAM aka Abraham came from Mesopotamia. It is believed that he was "called by god" to leave his homeland to create a new nation elsewhere.
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 Many of the Old Testament biblical stories are lifted from  ancient Sumerian epics.. This is a proven fact. They were likely to have been copied during the exile in Babylon.
ABRAM aka Abraham came from Mesopotamia. It is believed that he was "called by god" to leave his homeland to create a new nation elsewhere.

Noah

Another good example of a Sumerian coincidence might come from the flood narrative? Apparently Noah was pre-warned about a coming flood and instructed by Yahweh to build a giant boat to preserve human and animal life.

According to the Genesis account, Noah labored faithfully to build the Ark at God's command, ultimately saving not only his own family, but mankind itself and all land animals, from extinction during the Flood

Utnapishtim

By coincidence there was also the Sumerian story of Utnapishtim whom was pre-warned of a coming flood and ordered by Enki to build a giant boat called "the preserver of life".

He is tasked by the god Enki (Ea) to abandon his worldly possessions and create a giant ship to be called Preserver of Life.
The Preserver of Life was made of solid timber, so that the rays of Shamash (the sun) would not shine in, and of equal dimensions in length and width. The design of the ship was supposedly drawn on the ground by Enki, and the frame of the ark, which was made in five days, was 200 feet in length, width and height, with a floor-space of one acre.[2] The ark interior had seven floors, each floor divided into 9 sections, finishing the ark fully on the seventh day. The entrance to the ship was sealed once everyone had boarded the ship.
He was also tasked with bringing his wife, family, and relatives along with the craftsmen of his village, baby animals, and grains.[2] 

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FAUXLAW, the runaway from biblical axioms, and now the #1 Bible fool upon this forum, and the #1 record holder of running away from godly posts as shown below, and who has called Jesus a LIAR many times, and goes against Jesus in taking care of the poor, says that the Bible is a FRAUD, and calls the Christian faith as DISHONEST, and still wants to be called a Christian,  and has run away from 18 posts to him in one thread alone,

TO ADDRESS YOUR COMICAL SPAGHETTI BOWL WORD SALAD OF ASSUMED HAPPENINGS: "Let's just accept that a body of writings that we, after-the-fact [for it certainly was not titled such in antiquity, and it did not exist as a single, canonized volume], have dubbed "The Holy Bible," is, as a result of its complicated combining of writings, by various authors, copied, transliterated and translated by others, not all [in fact, by few] by accredited professionals, a sure coincidental contradiction which has, never the less, for the most part, wise counsel not to be taken lightly, and which has, regardless, methods of proper living, shared with most of the world's various religions. Is it the Word of God? Ask him. Who else has the appropriate answer? Some Sumerian?

Since you confer that your ever so hilarious and extremely disorganized speech in your quote above, that what you presume is shared by the worlds religions and if it is the word of God, just ask Him?  Therefore, your religion history goes wanting in the same manner as your complete Bible stupidity that I have shown you and the membership ad infinitum within this forum! Therefore, which God are you referring too, Bible fool?  The remaining popular Gods today are Yahweh, Jesus, and Allah, get it?  All 3 Gods of mention contradict each other within their writings, even though these Gods impetus are through Abraham, understood?

Therefore, regarding the bold type that I put  in your quote above, which God do you choose to ask to be absolutely correct in your mish-mash summation above?

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Don't forget, as the membership has seen on your part, you still haven't addressed many substantiated Biblical Axioms as shown in the link below, but only to embarrassingly run away from them time and time again: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5956-why-do-theists-have-lower-iqs?page=3&post_number=61

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The pounder's accusation of Bible fraudulence 
Is but that pounder's offensive flatulence,
But it certainly does not find precedence,
But by the pounder's singular irreverence.