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@drafterman
We need people to decide winners on debates. We need reporting in order to clear out obvious trolling and biased votes.
Right now, vote reporting in DDO and here has been used as both a tactic to game the debate system to win individual debates, and to harass either people voting, or people in debates.
To make more people want to vote, to increase the legitimacy of every debate win or loss, while we can loosen the standards or change particular rules - without a system that significantly dissuades you from reporting anything for reasons other than the vote is clearly a troll, vote bomb or biased - your going to have significant issues of abuse.
No system is without error, and I will readily admit that if two individuals create an unmoderated voting debate, but don’t specify it as such, or say so in public and one person abuses that agreement - that can happen. It can also happen now with the current system - but instead of a single person doing it, anyone can do it and you as a participant may never know who it is. And that’s a much bigger and more serious problem.
In all honesty, it’s a really good thing to know who is reporting votes on debates. If I’m voting for white flame and virtuoso, I’ll probably be a bit less verbose than if I’m voting for two people who report every vote: I’m also less likely to debate someone who I know reports every vote. That’s good information to have.
I think in reality the voting system in DDO which was copied here is terrible and needs to be completely changed top to bottom, but I think the issue here is not about crafting that perfect ivory tower solution, but to tweak the rules with a minimum amount of effort to make things better and fairer for debaters, voters and moderators.
I genuinely think you’re setting yourself up for failure if you let people without skin in the game, throw spanners into the works.
Right now, vote reporting in DDO and here has been used as both a tactic to game the debate system to win individual debates, and to harass either people voting, or people in debates.
To make more people want to vote, to increase the legitimacy of every debate win or loss, while we can loosen the standards or change particular rules - without a system that significantly dissuades you from reporting anything for reasons other than the vote is clearly a troll, vote bomb or biased - your going to have significant issues of abuse.
No system is without error, and I will readily admit that if two individuals create an unmoderated voting debate, but don’t specify it as such, or say so in public and one person abuses that agreement - that can happen. It can also happen now with the current system - but instead of a single person doing it, anyone can do it and you as a participant may never know who it is. And that’s a much bigger and more serious problem.
In all honesty, it’s a really good thing to know who is reporting votes on debates. If I’m voting for white flame and virtuoso, I’ll probably be a bit less verbose than if I’m voting for two people who report every vote: I’m also less likely to debate someone who I know reports every vote. That’s good information to have.
I think in reality the voting system in DDO which was copied here is terrible and needs to be completely changed top to bottom, but I think the issue here is not about crafting that perfect ivory tower solution, but to tweak the rules with a minimum amount of effort to make things better and fairer for debaters, voters and moderators.
I genuinely think you’re setting yourself up for failure if you let people without skin in the game, throw spanners into the works.
