Liberals, what should be done about race in America?

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I’m trying to understand the leftist position as much as I can. Identity politics/racial justice/ whatever you want to call it is a very hot subject for the left in America right now but on both sides I mostly see partisan saber rattling instead of discussions on policy. So I am asking in good faith: what do you actually want to do? Reparations? Economic redistribution? Hate speech laws? Etc. And at what point would you consider the issue to be resolved?
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I think it will be useful to explore the liberal psychology in this area. I'll go into detail on it later. Uncle Ted actually explains the liberal psychology at least for a segment of liberals, pretty well in his manifesto. 

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I’m trying to understand the leftist position as much as I can. Identity politics/racial justice/ whatever you want to call it is a very hot subject for the left in America right now but on both sides I mostly see partisan saber rattling instead of discussions on policy. So I am asking in good faith: what do you actually want to do? Reparations? Economic redistribution? Hate speech laws? Etc. And at what point would you consider the issue to be resolved?
I identify as a Liberal and consider race a mostly social construction. As such, I think the resolution is societal and mostly depends on the creation of a more compelling social distinction.  Nothing was more effective at erasing modern racial distinctions than dividing the world into two superpowers. I think the human brain has some instinctive need to divide fellow humans into us and them and such primitive impulses are not easily resolved or overcome but perhaps if we create a well distinguished population on another planet or discover an alien intelligence, that might resolve race as an important social divider.

I think the big answer to the question what should be done about race in America is that we're doing it- working to create a nation where all people enjoy access to the American franchise.  If we look at the steady march of improved enfranchisement over the course of US history, we should recognize considerable decreases in racial disparities over the past 200 years, 100 years, 50 years, even 20 years.  That tells me that we are on the right path and whatever the present controversy, our ultimate goal needs to be to remain on that path.  My hope is that my generation is more racially harmonious than the previous and that each subsequent generation is more harmonious still.  Always getting better is the goal.

I don't think much more can be accomplished at the level of Federal legislation.  Reparations are impractical.  Economic redistribution is provocative.  Hate speech laws are ineffective and illiberal.   I think the current priorities of the Democratic majority in Congress- voting rights and infrastructure- are proper instruments for improving societal divisions.  Let's make sure that every citizens has easy and equal access to the vote without government override by state legislatures.  Let's invest in projects that improve American efficiency while also employing the working class.  Let's make the US more competitive by making good education and good healthcare relatively inexpensive and widely available.

I disagree that racial politics is as hot on the American Left as it is on the American Right.  As far as I can tell, right-wingers spend way more time worrying about race than does the left-wing.  Take a look at this site, for example.  How often do right-wingers raise topics specific to race or post to topics with racially specific concerns compared to left-wingers?  I think right-wing institutions like Trumpism and FOX News are essentially built on white fears of losing power and as such spend a lot more time worrying about race than does the left-wing, who seek improvement on a much wider range of issues.

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First of all, thank you for taking the time to  answer the question. Here is the part about what you said that really concerns me: 

If we look at the steady march of improved enfranchisement over the course of US history, we should recognize considerable decreases in racial disparities over the past 200 years, 100 years, 50 years, even 20 years. 
I actually DONT see considerable decreases in racial disparities closing in recent decades. I’m not an expert on the exact statistics but my understanding is that when it comes to statistics like homeownership, incarceration rates, or median wealth and income between blacks and whites the disparity has not really closed at all: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/04/economic-divide-black-households/%3foutputType=amp

I have my own theories for why this is, which I’ll keep private for now. The lefts narrative is that this is due to structural white supremacy, racism, etc. I personally think this is not the answer. I think the further in time we go the less credible that explanation becomes. I guess my question would be at what point would you consider these problems to be resolved, or for the racism narrative to not hold water? What if true equity is not possible? 
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I think his explanation is valid for a certain extremely loathsome type of liberal. But I really don’t think the average Democrat is like that, even though he did absolutely nail the motivations behind certain radicals 
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"Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives. They SAY they hate the West because it is warlike, imperialistic, sexist, ethnocentric and so forth, but where these same faults appear in socialist countries or in primitive cultures, the leftist finds excuses for them, or at best he GRUDGINGLY admits that they exist; whereas he ENTHUSIASTICALLY points out (and often greatly exaggerates) these faults where they appear in Western civilization. Thus it is clear that these faults are not the leftist’s real motive for hating America and the West. He hates America and the West because they are strong and successful."
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That was something of a hate speech Doc.
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I identify as a Liberal and consider race a mostly social construction.
This is a reoccurring problem with a lot of what you write.

You drink the shitlib Kool-Aid arguments that are thoroughly illogical, and then you make logically sound arguments based on that building block, BUT your arguments are never logically valid because you start with the wrong premise.

Race being mostly a "social construction" doesn't mean race is whatever we want it to be (mostly). What the 'experts' actually mean by this is that the division labels used are socially constructed, similar to how 'red', 'blue' and 'green' are also social constructs, but representative of a reality (light receptors, light bending etc.). However, the 'experts' can't come out and explain this distinction this clearly because it debunks all their works on how 'we're all part of the one race: the human race', and they'll get deplatformed/fired for 'hate speech' against minorities. So, they equivocate with this 'social construct' term so they're not incorrect AND it dupes people like YOU into thinking they're arguing something that they themselves know is wrong, but can't say is wrong without the shitlib mob coming after them.

And that's how you got duped with shitlib Kool-Aid.

I think the big answer to the question what should be done about race in America is that we're doing it- working to create a nation where all people enjoy access to the American franchise...
Yeah this has been done recently and it's called Brazil.

It's also been done in the past with Ancient Rome and various other empires. We already know this doesn't work.

If you don't vet people and keep one of the races a racial majority, it leads to heaps of crime and civil wars.

If we look at the steady march of improved enfranchisement over the course of US history, we should recognize considerable decreases in racial disparities over the past 200 years, 100 years, 50 years, even 20 years.
This is a function of the environmental improvements (i.e. mostly White US improvements) that allowed African Americans to maximize their genetic potential. Now that they pretty much have, there's no more progress to be made and they're always going to be dragging the US down with lower IQ, other genetic problems and a racial in-group bias.

African dominated areas in the US (Detroit, Chicago etc.) are steadily marching to being like Nigeria and Mauritania. Unless you think that's a good thing (it's not), you need to stop advocating for this.

My hope is that my generation is more racially harmonious than the previous and that each subsequent generation is more harmonious still.
People by default practice racial in-group bias. Yes, this is stupid and very primitive for our modern setting, but it's also what humans do.

People who get brainwashed into not being racially biased (shitlibs) get carved up at elections and eventually kicked out of your own country.

The people you're fighting for aren't on your side, and you don't understand this because you don't understand what humans are: racially bias.

I don't think much more can be accomplished at the level of Federal legislation.  Reparations are impractical.  Economic redistribution is provocative.  Hate speech laws are ineffective and illiberal. 
Finally things we agree on.

Let's make sure that every citizens has easy and equal access to the vote without government override by state legislatures.  Let's invest in projects that improve American efficiency while also employing the working class.  Let's make the US more competitive by making good education and good healthcare relatively inexpensive and widely available.
You just don't understand humans.

You're so cerebral and in your head that you're completely ignoring how racially bias humans are.

This is all talk for creatures that don't exist and certainly not for humans.

I disagree that racial politics is as hot on the American Left as it is on the American Right.  As far as I can tell, right-wingers spend way more time worrying about race than does the left-wing.  Take a look at this site, for example.  How often do right-wingers raise topics specific to race or post to topics with racially specific concerns compared to left-wingers?  I think right-wing institutions like Trumpism and FOX News are essentially built on white fears of losing power and as such spend a lot more time worrying about race than does the left-wing, who seek improvement on a much wider range of issues.
Nobody of merit cares about your divisive labels of "right-wing" or "left-wing".

The fact is that race denial is slowly murdering America and needs to be talked about sooner rather than later, because there won't be a later forever. That's the real talking point here, not whether it's "right-wing" or "Trumpism" or whatever you shitlibs think.

White people should be afraid of losing power because they shouldn't want America to turn into a Brazil or even a South Africa. I don't know about you, but I prefer not living in the country with the highest rape and one of the highest murder rates per capita, or having the cartel swing by to load my house with two-hundred 50mm rounds. If you import/breed a lot of Africans and Hispanics en masse, that's what you're going to end up with -- that has been shown repeatedly. Meanwhile, you're off in your fantasyland of 'race is a social construction', and we all need to join hands and sing kumbaya as it leads to "improvement".