If congress fails to raise the debt ceiling and the US defaults on its debts, who deserves the blame for this - Democrats or Republicans?
Yet another debt ceiling showdown
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@Double_R
Putin's party, the GOP.
See: How the GOP became the party of Putin - Brookings Institution
both parties deserve blame for it.
the dems are in control right now, so they deserve a little more blame.
More importantly, who deserves the praise for forcing future spending cuts on objective bullshit?
Even Stalin's 5 year plan was more sane that the BS out of DC these days.
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@n8nrgmi
the dems are in control right now, so they deserve a little more blame.
So when republicans invoke the filibuster thereby requiring republican support, then every single republican votes against it while every democrat votes for it… that’s the Democrats fault?
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@Greyparrot
More importantly, who deserves the praise for forcing future spending cuts on objective bullshit?
You do know that the debt ceiling has absolutely nothing to do with future spending right?
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@Double_R
Indirectly it does.
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@Double_R
So when republicans invoke the filibuster thereby requiring republican support, then every single republican votes against it while every democrat votes for it… that’s the Democrats fault?
McConnel is playing a weird game here with reconciliation. Reconciliation is like a Trump card to get around a filibuster, but it can only be used once per period. McConnel wants Schumer to blow the reconciliation on the debt ceiling so he cant use it for the spending bills. But if Schumer does that, then the spending bills will have to be bi-partisan,
Which would be undemocratic.
Since they don't even have enough Democrat votes for reconciliation for the spending bills, this might actually be the 1st time in forever that reconciliation is NOT used ironically.
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@cristo71
Oh lol...didn't know Schumer was tying in spending bills to the debt limit bill....no wonder it was getting filibustered.
If Schumer really wants a standalone debt ceiling bill, no Republican would ever filibuster that. And Schumer knows it.
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@Greyparrot
But there’s this bit:
“Republicans have twice blocked Democrats from raising the debt ceiling: once, to suspend the debt ceiling as part of a short-term government funding bill, and a second time when Schumer tried to bypass the 60-vote filibuster to set up a stand-alone bill to suspend the debt ceiling.”
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@Double_R
Republicans are trying to force the debt limit into the votes for the American Jobs Act and the American Family Act. I think Dems should simply ignore McConnell.
McConnell is trying to threaten America with a vote in which all Democrats will vote to save America from economic disaster and all Republicans will vote in favor of laying new economic catastrophes on the American people during pandemic (that was also created by Republicans). It is such a feckless threat: if you even try to pay my bills I'm going to commit suicide. Let's use McConnell's threat to restore the traditional filibuster rules and blow right past his feeble threats.
Washington DC deserves to be threatened the way they mismanage the lives of Americans.
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@Double_R
If congress fails to raise the debt ceiling and the US defaults on its debts, who deserves the blame for this - Democrats or Republicans?
Democrats. They don’t need a single GOP vote in either the House or the Senate for them to raise the debt ceiling.
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@oromagi
By all means, use reconciliation to raise the debt ceiling. Waste of a reconciliation bill anyways
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@Greyparrot
McConnel is playing a weird game here with reconciliation. Reconciliation is like a Trump card to get around a filibuster, but it can only be used once per period.
Well actually they can pass 3 reconciliation bills - one each for revenue, spending, and debt ceiling. They’ve already used spending with the COVID package. They’ve already used Revenue and Spending with the COVID package. They gotta save this last one, or else they’d have to wait till FY2023
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@Double_R
This is pretty simple.
If democrats vote not to raise the debt limit - it’s the fault of democrats.
If republicans vote not to raise the debt limit - it’s the fault of republicans.
If the republicans prevent the bill from being voted on through filibuster - it’s the republicans fault.
You can not prevent the other side from governing; and then claim it’s the other sides fault because they aren’t governing.
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@ILikePie5
That's assuming Democrats can get a majority for even that within their own party. That's a BIG if.
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@ILikePie5
You ready for the great printing?
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@Ramshutu
You can not prevent the other side from governing; and then claim it’s the other sides fault because they aren’t governing.
Democrats can raise the debt ceiling without a single GOP vote in the House and Senate. Why don’t they do it?
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@Greyparrot
Indirectly it does.
No, they have nothing to do with each other.
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@ILikePie5
If congress fails to raise the debt ceiling and the US defaults on its debts, who deserves the blame for this - Democrats or Republicans?Democrats. They don’t need a single GOP vote in either the House or the Senate for them to raise the debt ceiling.
So you blame Democrats for their failure to stop the republicans from sending the US into default. Ok.
What about the republicans who sent the US into default?
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@Double_R
So you blame Democrats for their failure to stop the republicans from sending the US into default. Ok.
Just 2 of them.
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@Double_R
No, they have nothing to do with each other.
Sure it does. A default is going to result in spending cuts indirectly. Guaranteed.
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@ILikePie5
Democrats can raise the debt ceiling without a single GOP vote in the House and Senate. Why don’t they do it?
Republicans can allow cloture and allow an up/down debt ceiling vote they can all vote no to. Why don’t they do it?
Republicans can allow a vote to extend or suspend the debt ceiling to cover existing approved responsibilities - as democrats each time it was done during Trump; why not this time?
Republicans can allow a vote to extend or suspend the debt ceiling to cover existing approved responsibilities - as democrats each time it was done during Trump; why not this time?
The spending is already approved, right?
Why should democrats waste an opportunity to legislate in the face of Republican obstruction - simply because Republicans are threatening the country with a crippling default? What would stop trying to leverage a default next time?
It’s like the Republicans have doused the house with Gasoline, and are holding a lit match; and your suggesting the fire will be the democrats fault for not running fast enough to fetch a fire hose.
mainly democrats fault
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@ILikePie5
-->@oromagiBy all means, use reconciliation to raise the debt ceiling. Waste of a reconciliation bill anyways
That was McConnell's plan. He has now agreed to postpone to December so not much need to use reconcilliation.
no one deserves the blame, every politician just sucks
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@Dr.Franklin
Well stated.