The blue states should join Canada

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I'm a right leaning independent in a blue state, so I want my state, as well as every other blue state that feasibly can to join Canada.  Canada has lower taxes than America.
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I think that is a great idea. Canada can then change it's name to North America and the US states that don't join can call themselves The United States of Trump.
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All the people that want to join Canada can move to a blue state and save money on their taxes.  All the Trump supporting Americans can move to the United States of Trump, where Trump is their king (not even their president, but their king).
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Lower taxes than America huh? LOL! Other than corporate tax, you'll find the opposite is true.
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For the most part, Canada has lower taxes.
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America is full of tax evaders.
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you are looking at it surface-level. Canadians pay more from the upper brackets to support the lower than the US ever has.

There is barely any (or none at all) tax in US going to socialised healthcare, for instance.
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@RM

In Canada, the rich pay less than the rich do in America since their upper income bracket is less.  That's what my sources confirm.  Your source kindof confirmed that as well.

Even someone making $100K/year pays less in Canadian taxes than someone making $100K/year would in the US.

This is even factoring in Canada's socialized healthcare.  This is because Canada isn't waging these expensive wars that the US is.  Canada also doesn't pay corporate welfare like the US does.

These items help explain why American taxes are higher than Canada's.

But tax deductions are the government's way of picking favorites and they shouldn't exist.  Canada is doing that right.
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Sure, sure. You are only seeing numbers, not overall proportion or gain vs loss.
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Canada has more respect than to let those fools associate with them.
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Blue America is very similar to Anglophone Canada.  Many residents in blue America want UHC and gun control, so Canada would have an easy time absorbing blue America.
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All the people that want to join Canada can move to a blue state and save money on their taxes.  All the Trump supporting Americans can move to the United States of Trump, where Trump is their king (not even their president, but their king).
are you saying this ironically?  (I dearly hope so)
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Well i don't think Canada will be too keen but I'll ask them.
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Will trade Cali, north east and Minnesota for Alberta, and Saskatchewan. Leave all your guns, trans-fats and paranoia at the border; the American Dream moved here in the 90s already. We already have a segment of our population that is out of touch with reality, and is dedicated to supporting something existentially terrible - they wear leaf hats though.

You can pay us with all the money you save on insulin in the first week
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lmao sure
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I'm not.  I'm sick of subsidizing red welfare states with my tax dollars.  My taxes are lower if I move to Canada.
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I'm a right leaning independent in a blue state, so I want my state, as well as every other blue state that feasibly can to join Canada.  Canada has lower taxes than America.

Once again, I am quite unsure if you are serious or not. First of all, all you send pictures of are nominal tax rates. Do you know the difference between a nominal and an effective tax rate? Do you even know what a deduction is?

Did you know that sales tax is 15% in everywhere but Ontario in Canada while our highest state is 9.55%? Shocker, I know, that there is more than just a federal tax. Also, they have a 5% value-added tax, and we don't.

This clinging to the most base-level fact and making the most absurd conclusions leads me to believe that it is satire.

 I'm sick of subsidizing red welfare states with my tax dollars.
Lmao, you're like 19 probably making minimum wage if you work at all. You won't pay a dime over our standard deduction. Unless you think your state sales tax and gas taxes are somehow subsidizing red states.
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Did you know that sales tax is 15% in everywhere but Ontario in Canada while our highest state is 9.55%? Shocker, I know, that there is more than just a federal tax. Also, they have a 5% value-added tax, and we don't.
Sales taxes don't impact the cost of goods much, so I don't care if a place has a sales tax.  I don't want to pay an income tax.

Lmao, you're like 19 probably making minimum wage if you work at all.
I'll make more when I'm older.  I want to be an actuary.  Actuaries make a lot of money.  High taxes on high earners is going to effect me once I'm an actuary.
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Sales taxes don't impact the cost of goods much, so I don't care if a place has a sales tax.  I don't want to pay an income tax.

In 2019, the lowest quintile spent $4,400 on groceries in the year, while the highest income quintile spent $13,987.

The average sales tax in the US is 6.35%, while Canada's would be about 15%. An 8.65% difference, resulting in a respective $380.60 and $1,209.88 extra in sales tax for those quintiles. 

Seems like a tax that impacts prices to me.....

I'll make more when I'm older.  I want to be an actuary.  Actuaries make a lot of money.  High taxes on high earners is going to effect me once I'm an actuary.

Assuming Canada's and the US' rates are the same ten years down the line and both countries abolish all deductions, then sure, great idea!
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An 8.65% difference, resulting in a respective $380.60 and $1,209.88 extra in sales tax for those quintiles. 
If that's how much it costs per year, that's like $2/day for someone who is an average earner.  Whereas the income tax difference is about 3% of your entire income.  If you make $100K/year, that is about $3000 saved by switching to Canada, or $8/day.  Canada has lower taxes overall and I don't even notice the sales tax.  It makes things slightly more expensive, but it's a bargain compared to the income tax.

Assuming Canada's and the US' rates are the same ten years down the line and both countries abolish all deductions, then sure, great idea!
All tax deductions are the government picking favorites and therefore should be eliminated.
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If that's how much it costs per year, that's like $2/day for someone who is an average earner.  Whereas the income tax difference is about 3% of your entire income.  If you make $100K/year, that is about $3000 saved by switching to Canada, or $8/day.  Canada has lower taxes overall and I don't even notice the sales tax.  It makes things slightly more expensive, but it's a bargain compared to the income tax.

Are you intentionally misreading what I'm saying? I'm pointing out that there are hundreds of considerations other than income tax that impact your take-home pay. Cost of living, wages that can be earned for a specific job, sales tax, VAT tax, income tax, capital gains, excise taxes, relative inflation rates/relative currency strength all impact how much money you will have and what you can do with it.

So saying that half of the states should secede merely because a nominal federal tax rate here is different than there is absolutely ludicrous.

Ignoring taxes, you also have an entirely different legal system that impacts freedom of speech, gun rights, etc. But somehow you think dozens of states seceding over a meaningless number is somehow a good idea???

All tax deductions are the government picking favorites and therefore should be eliminated.

Deductions incentivize good behaviors. If the government is picking parents as "favorites", then I'm okay with that. If it is picking parents that pay for their kids' educations as "favorites", I'm okay with that too.
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I have change my mind on this issue and I would like to be public with that.  Putting all the blue states in one country and all the red states in another would lead to mass censorship because if you disagree with your state, it's going to get viewed as treason.  Then the 1st amendment would be dead.  I want to keep the first amendment alive.
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You know if you want to be Canadian you can just move there and become a citizen. Not sure why you feel like the choice should be I have to be Canadian or I have to be a Trump voter. I'm not either and actually kind of satisfied with that.
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You know if you want to be Canadian you can just move there and become a citizen. Not sure why you feel like the choice should be I have to be Canadian or I have to be a Trump voter. I'm not either and actually kind of satisfied with that.

Maybe I want to force you to be a Canadian for not wanting to #MakeAmericaGreatAgain