The Prosecution in the Kyle Rittenhouse case

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Is one of the most pathetic prosecution I’ve ever seen. I think anyone here could be a better prosecutor than the ones going on in the trial. Yet the media still claims there’s bias
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Lol
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Judge clearly said he was trying to lose on purpose. Probably to avoid another BLM vigilante riot.
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Is one of the most pathetic prosecution I’ve ever seen. I think anyone here could be a better prosecutor than the ones going on in the trial. Yet the media still claims there’s bias

How does the former preclude the latter?
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any persecution will fail, rittenhouse is a free man
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A Zedku for Doc.


AR15.

The sword of justice.

Such is the U.S.A. 

Free to kill

You right wing hero.



Fuck  non-victims.

They're not US.

Must be

From another Planet Doc.
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yes fuck rosenbaum, total piece of shit 
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Did you know him personally?

Did you know Rittenhouse personally?

What is the basis of your selective judgement Doc?


Maybe it's just a biased opinion based upon a conditioned political and ideological precept, fuelled by your therefore preferred, biased media outlets.

Just suggesting Doc.


Or maybe it's simply, all in the names. 

Do you have a pair of jackboots hidden in the back of the cupboard? (Metaphorically speaking).


What ya thinking Doc?
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Did you know him personally?

I don't know a lot of people willing to admit they know a child rapist.

Those are the kinds of people even hardened prisoners put at the bottom of the pecking order.

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I have been watching this video on repeat and have probably seen in two dozen times now, and I laugh each time. In a sane society making a statement like that in a court room = automatic disbarment. 


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As evidenced by post #4 and elsewhere, there seems to be a sentiment here that the prosecution is being intentionally bad so as to throw the case in Rittenhouse’s favor. Presumably, they pressed charges in the first place to appease the BLM crowd. While the former is, of course, crackpottery, I can’t imagine why they indicted him within 48 hours for any reason other than the latter.

Now, to see what the jury finally decides…

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The thing is that the Judge not only scolded the prosecution but he withheld his comments about violating a witnesses 5th amendment rights saying "that's all I am going to say about this right now". It's clear he was likely going to say it was grounds for an appeal or dismissal on constitutional violations.

If the verdict comes back as guilty he might actually say it.
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I think you are giving them far too much credit.  There are tons of actions they have taken that indicate they are sincerely trying to win this case, including pushing for the judge to include lesser offenses in the jury instructions, trying to trip Rittenhouse up on the stand, and introducing the idea of “provocation” in the jury instructions. 

The fact is that they are trying to railroad this kid because their fundamental belief is that the rioters had a moral right to be there and to do what they were doing, while Rittenhouse did not have the right to be there in his attempts to mitigate the damage. That said, a prosecutor throwing a case because they don’t believe in the evidence should also mean a disbarment. They don’t have to take up the case if the evidence doesn’t support it at all. Risking putting an innocent man in prison for political considerations should = disbarment and jail time. 
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I think you are giving them far too much credit.  There are tons of actions they have taken that indicate they are sincerely trying to win this case, including pushing for the judge to include lesser offenses in the jury instructions, trying to trip Rittenhouse up on the stand, and introducing the idea of “provocation” in the jury instructions. 
Oh, it’s not me saying that. I actually called it crackpot thinking. I find your insights informative regardless.

The fact is that they are trying to railroad this kid because their fundamental belief is that the rioters had a moral right to be there and to do what they were doing, while Rittenhouse did not have the right to be there in his attempts to mitigate the damage. That said, a prosecutor throwing a case because they don’t believe in the evidence should also mean a disbarment. They don’t have to take up the case if the evidence doesn’t support it at all. Risking putting an innocent man in prison for political considerations should = disbarment and jail time.
Perhaps. I definitely believe that the DA team should all be up for investigation into professional misconduct after this. This is the most kangarooish court I have seen within US borders outside of stories of the Jim Crow South.

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I do not include the judge in that condemnation, I should add. He is on point…

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This is the most kangarooish court I have seen within US borders outside of stories of the Jim Crow South.

Yeah…What scares me the most is that soon the median judge is going to be more like Binger and less like Schroeder. 
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It's curious that this thread is tucked in to the politics section, and one can note there is no justice section, but there is an aspect to this case alleged by the MSM that places it squarely in politics where it does not belong. That aspect is racism, as in the MSM maintaining that racism, in the guise of white supremacy, is at the root of this case. That's a spurious claim given that all directly involved in this case, the prosecution, the defense, including the defendant, the judge, the key witnesses, and the victims, are all white.

MSM does not explore that particular fact in their allegation. So, anyone who sucks up to MSM, hanging on their every word, please advise how this case is rooted in racism? Only in one manner that I can see, and absolutely no one, even in media, has offered this potential reason: Rittenhouse believes he is more white than all the others, and is therefore superior. I don't see it, but people who eat racism for breakfast, lunch and dinner, can easily fall for that theory.


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It's "white supremacy culture" that believes in personal freedom and individual agency.

That is a direct threat to a centrally planned state.
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Personal freedom and responsibility, and, therefore, individual agency, is not exclusively the purview of any group. It is, by its definition, an individual purview and not group-think at all. But, yes, the concept is a threat to anyone who thinks in terms of any estate contrary to it.
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Personal freedom and responsibility, and, therefore, individual agency, is not exclusively the purview of any group.

Hence the quotations. It's the official gaslight doctrine from state propaganda.
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  1. Why was someone who blatantly is affiliated with white supremacists (ones whom paid instantly to get him bail and have been socialising with him frequently before and after he was inititally arrested) at a BLM protest? If he was there to 'defend' then who was it who requested a 17-year-old to carry an AR-15 across state lines in order to 'defend' something? Isn't requesting that illegal?
  2. Why did he murder Rosenbaum? I am aware of the things Rosenbaum has been found guilty of and that he was very high asking to be shot but nobody in their right mind would presume that the right action would be to literally kill him just because he's asking to be shot.
  3. Do you agree that if (and it is the case that) the 'mob' only set on Rittenhouse after the Rosenbaum murder on an unarmed man, then it suddenly becomes much clearer who was the fundamental attacker vs defender in the aggression that ensued. Huber was proactively trying to get Rittenhouse to disarm and not escape so that
    a) he can't go on to murder any others
    b) cops could arrive before  he's gotten away, to arrest him for the Rosenbaum murder
  4. After he'd also murdered Huber instead of surrendering, what exactly is he using as his moral high ground?

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I just saw this:

James Kraus, one of the prosecutors in the murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, told the jury in a Kenosha, Wisconsin court Monday that the defendant should have let himself be attacked last August because “everybody takes a beating sometimes.”

What on Earth did they do behind the scenes to even come up with such wording?

What he meant to say is that you do not fire a gun four times simply for threat of melee unarmed attack, his wording was absolutely atrocious.

I really hope the prosecution lawyers are forever delegated to the depths of shit cases, this is absolutely terrible representation.
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im thinking rittenhouse is awesome and antifa is evil
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I'm not surprised Doc.
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yes fuck rosenbaum, total piece of shit 
            Did you know him personally?
Perhaps I can explain why in the form of a haiku:

Joseph Rosenbaum
Had relations with minors
He's a piece of shit
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That's American culture for you.
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As opposed to British culture? Where are the statues of British child anal rapists?
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Where are the statues of British child anal rapists?
I've no idea.

You will need to elaborate.
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