Does the Bible admit to other Gods?

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  • janesix
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    For [Jehovah] is the great God, and the great King above all gods (Ps. 95:3).

    I know [Jehovah] is great, and our Lord is superior to all gods. (Ps. 135:5)

    There are some passages in the Bible that seem to be admitting to there being other Gods.
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    --> @janesix
    I never considered it up until a couple years ago TBH even though the Bible uses those specific words I was sure the Bible was strict monotheism. What I used to believe was that it was meant to apply to our own perceptions not "Jehovah's", meaning God (or Author) was more or less using that term based on our perception or object of worship not Gods. Now that I have more knowledge and acceptance in panentheism I now tend to say yeah it is pretty likely that is what it is saying or at least I'm more open to the idea. Still, I would tend to think there would be a difference between "gods" and God of course, for example the Devil is known as the god of this world....



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    I already did a thread on this here>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/506



    And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness: Genesis 1:26
     
     
    And there is the famous and no getting away from, Psalm 82 that clearly states;

    Psalm 82
    God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.....
    I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    And there is the commandment where god refers again to other gods:

    Exodus.20:3
     “You shall have no other gods before me”.
    Genesis 11:7
    “ let US go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

    Psalm 95:3
     For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

    Psalm 135:5
    For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods.
     
    This is not to mention that these gods had families; sons of gods when descended to earth and took the daughters of men as wives..
     
     
     
    And there are many occasions in the bible where one god is ordering the death of those who have or are supporters of other gods.

    Deuteronomy 6:14-16
     Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
    15 (For The Lord thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the Lord thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.
    16 Ye Shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

    So it's plain to see that there are other gods who were without doubt recognised and acknowledged by the Hebrew/ Judeo/Christian god. And this Hebrew./Judeo/Christian god is a self confessed “jealous god” and would kill and make to suffer for generations anyone who preferred one of these other gods to him.
     
     Who will deny this pluralism?Well Christians of course.


     

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    Yes gods exist.

    Are they ultimately real? No.

    The One God is The Ultimate Reality.

    The entirety of psalm 82 reads...


    "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
    How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
    Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
    Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
    They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
    I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
    But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
    Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations."

    These gods are created beings. They come into existence, they have a time that they live, and they die. They are mortal.

    So these "gods" are not like God. There is a world of difference.



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    Definition of god courtesy Merriam-webster...


    • 2 : a being or object believed to havemore than natural attributes and powersand to require human worship; specifically: one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
    • 3 : a person or thing of supreme value
    • 4 : a powerful ruler

    Clearly all of these gods exist.

    But they are not ultimately real, they are contingent entities. The One God is not contingent.

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    The "one god" is entirely contingent on the existence of man. Supply even the most obtuse reference to god before the existence of man.
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    Only men reference things ,duh.


    But reality existed before man.

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    the bible can be understood to acknowledge the existence of other actual gods. It can also be understood to not acknowledge them but to acknowledge that people have invented some. We generally work back from the conclusions we need to find and interpret scripture to justify those conclusions.
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    Yes and there is no reference to gods in reality. Your gods therefore completely contingent on the existence of man. Man makes the unsupportable claim that gods exist, end of.
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    The God I believe in is The Reality.

    So you admit that my God exists by admitting that reality exists.

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    What you worship you can call the starship enterprise it will still be your fantasy and not reality, call your god the moon and in your fairy tale that will prove your god exists just like all the other moon gods.
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    What about the opposite way one could take that, calling the moon differently than you are used to?
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    Courtesy Merriam-webster 

    Definition of definition...

    "the action or process of stating the meaning of a word or word group"

    Definition of God...

    "capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality"

    Definition of arbitrary

    "based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something"

    Or

    "existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will"

    Or

    "Disgusted"


    Hah, just kidding, I made that last definition up.






  • disgusted
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    I don't believe in any holy books, much less MW.
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    --> @disgusted
    Do you believe in your own bullshit?

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    Hahahaha just can't handle reality, poor thing.
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    --> @janesix
    Bible is written by and for Lucifer. Lucifer never became Satan. 

    Lucifer lies, lies, lies but because he's inferior to Satan (who is God and she has no technical 'name' but I call her Fiora), he can't properly lie as Satan forces truth through and possesses Lucifer (who was Jesus) from time to time.

    The first commandment was 'Put no God above me' and all following scriptures, be it the NT, Qur'an and whatever else, are either lies if they say 'only God' or referring to the only God beneath the nonsense. The Gods of all religions are pieces of a puzzle. The real God is the answer/solution.
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    Satan is actually Satana,  the name was made Masculine as iterations of the Bible were verbally sent down. I can semi-prove it but the evidence is murky.
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    --> @janesix
    It is widely accepted that originally the hebrew believed in a pantheon of gods, one of which (YHWH) thyhad a special relationship with.
    Over time yhwh went from' patron god' to 'best god' to 'only god'.
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    yes
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    @Mad
    Do you have a special cell?
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    go crawl back under your rock
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    Does the bible admit to other garden gnomes or perhaps one eyed, one horned, flying, purple people eaters. They are all the creations of mankind's imagination so who cares what a fictional book has to say about them?
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    you have nothing useful to contribute. why are you here?
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    Yes I do and I invite your wife and mother in on the weekly, they put a sign up saying 'too hot to disturb'.