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Praise be to Allah.

Firstly: 

It is permissible for a man to arrange a marriage for his young son even if he has not reached puberty; it is also permissible for him to arrange a marriage for his young daughter even if she had not reached the age of puberty. It was narrated that there was consensus on this point, but that is provided that compatibility is taken into account and that a clear and real interest is served by this marriage.

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the father may arrange a marriage for his young daughter without consulting her. The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) married ‘Aa’ishah when she was six years old.

End quote from at-Tamheed, 19/98 

Ismaa‘eel ibn Ishaaq (may Allah have mercy on him) said: 

The father may arrange a marriage for a young (daughter) according to the consensus of the Muslims, and that is binding on her. 

End quote from at-Tamheed, 19/84 

Ibn Shubrumah disagreed with that, as we shall see below. 

Secondly: 

It is not prescribed to arrange a marriage for a young girl unless there is a clear and real interest to be served by doing so. The same applies to young boys, but the ruling is emphasized more with regard to girls because a boy has the power of divorce (talaaq). 

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: 

It should be noted that ash-Shaafa‘i and his companions said: It is recommended for the father or grandfather not to arrange a marriage for a virgin until she reaches the age of puberty and he seeks her consent, lest she find herself trapped in a marriage that she resents. What they said is not contrary to the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah, because what they meant is that he should not give her in marriage before puberty if there is no clear and real interest to be served by that for which there is the fear that it will be missed by delaying marriage, such as the story of ‘Aa’ishah. In that case (i.e., if there is a clear and real interest to be served) it is recommended not to miss the opportunity to marry that husband, because the father is enjoined to take care of his children’s interests, not to neglect them. 

End quote from Sharh Muslim, 9/206 

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was of the view that in the case of a girl who has reached the age of nine years it is stipulated that she give consent and he said: This is the view favoured by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, and this is the correct view. 

With regard to the girl who is younger than the age of nine years, he favoured the view that the father does not have the right to arrange a marriage. He narrated from Ibn Shubrumah (may Allah have mercy on him) that he said: It is not permissible to arrange a marriage for a young girl who has not reached the age of puberty, because if we say that that is subject to her consent, her consent does not count (because she is too young to make such decisions), and when she does reach the age of puberty we believe that she should not be forced into a marriage. The Shaykh said: This view is the correct one, that the father should not arrange a marriage for his daughter until she reaches the age of puberty, and when she reaches the age of puberty he should not arrange a marriage unless she gives her consent. 

But if we assume that a man regards this suitor as compatible and he is old, and there is the fear that if he passes away and guardianship of the girl passes to her brothers, they may not take the matter of her marriage seriously and they may arrange her marriage according to their whims and desires, not according to what is in her best interests, and he thinks that it is in her best interests to arrange her marriage to someone who is compatible, there is nothing wrong with that, but she will have the choice when she grows up; if she wishes she may say: I do not agree to this and I do not want it. 

If the matter is like this, then the safest option is not to arrange her marriage and to entrust her to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. Perhaps now he thinks that this man is compatible but then the man’s situation may change, and perhaps when she reaches the age of marriage Allah will bring her a man who is better than this man, because all things are in the hand of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted.

End quote from ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 12/57-59 

The Shaykh also favoured the view that marriage should not be arranged for a boy until he reaches the age of puberty. 

Ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘, 12/53 

With regard to consummation of the marriage with a minor, it does not become permissible by merely drawing up the marriage contract; rather the husband should not consummate the marriage with her until she is able to have intercourse, which is not necessarily at puberty. This is something that varies from one environment and time to another. With regard to that, sharee‘ah pays attention to physical makeup. 

Thirdly: 

From the words of the Muslim fuqaha’ concerning this issue, it is clear that marriage of minors is based on achieving clear and real interests thereby. If marriage of a young girl will serve some very real interest for her, then her guardian may arrange a marriage for her, but if no real interest will be served for her by that, then he does not have the right to arrange a marriage when she is still a minor, until she can choose for herself and give consent. 

That is not a transgression against her rights, as may be said with regard to the trustee’s handling of the orphan’s wealth; it is permissible for him to buy and sell on his behalf without obtaining his consent, if that serve a clear and real interest and is more beneficial for him and his wealth. 

The view concerning young boys is the same as that concerning young girls; it is essential for the guardian to take into consideration what interests may be achieved for the minor thereby. 

This is applicable in all cases in which Islam gives permission to conduct affairs on behalf of another and gives guardianship of another. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:          

                           

If a person has authority to handle the affairs or wealth of another, either as a guardian or by appointment as a proxy, it is not permissible for him to do whatever he wants; he has to choose that which is in (his ward’s) best interests.

End quote from Mukhtasar al-Fataawa al-Masriyyah, 796 

Based on that, one should take the appropriate approach to the emotional aspect of this issue, because choosing the right person for the woman in terms of his character and choosing the right time for arranging this marriage is in fact paying attention to the woman’s natural and emotional needs and inclinations. Emotion here does not refer to love relationships and infatuations that may occur between young men and women; these relationships and ideas are one thing and the reality of life is something else. How many marriages have started with these relationships but soon failed, and how many marriages have started without prior acquaintance between the spouses but Allah created love, compassion, tranquillity and harmony between them, and they continued to live happily together. 

And Allah knows best.

Well pedophilia will never be added to the western LGBTQ+ but has always been socially acceptable for legal marriage in Islamic cultures until they realised that elsewhere it is considered disgusting and wrong.

Well pedophilia will never be added to the western LGBTQ+

but has always been socially acceptable for legal marriage in Islamic cultures until they realised that elsewhere it is considered disgusting and wrong.

This. I have to say, it's pretty tone deaf for OP to rail against the 'sexual depravity' of LGBTQ and modern society when neither condone pedophilia

...unlike his holy book.

Actually if they were going to add a new letter it would probably be for polyamory or polygamy. I don't technically think there's anything wrong with those and I think most people don't care either.

Incest still illegal in most areas so I don't see it coming around anytime soon, thankfully.

And bestiality will never be acceptable people do love their animals like they love humans which is why they would never tolerate an animal being raped.

unlike his holy book.

- Please! Don't stick your depravities & sexual fantasies on us. Ew! You're atheist anyways, you got no moral judgment. 

Actually if they were going to add a new letter it would probably be for polyamory or polygamy.

How do we recognize the most sexually depraved human society in History?

A couple of decades ago, 2% was the share of the LGBTQ population in the US.

Fast forward today, apparently 40% among GenZ identify as LGBT.

• That's a lot more honest than a few decades ago.
  

This number will keep increasing

in the future until, most likely, by next generation virtually the whole population may be involved in these practices -

just as Pederasty (gay pedophilia) was normalized in Ancient Greece.

Now, every other year a new letter is added to the LGBTQABCD+ sexual identity spectrum in your countries. The American Psychology Association (I think?) lists some 200 paraphilias. Which do you think is next in line on this identity alphabet? 

Muhammad married A'isha when she was 7

and took her to his house as a bride (with her dolls) at 9. 

I don't revere pedophiles or cherish books which permit pedophilia.

I also dont gaslight when caught out. It is not my moral compass which needs calibrating, friend.

Based on population size, quality of law enforcement,  and legal structure protecting rapists, I would submit modern Pakistan as the most sexually depraved society in history. 

By 2014 that number was over 8% and is probably higher now. 

There's no evidence to suggest that the actual prevalence of homosex has increased, just that people are a lot more honest about it as the consequences for honesty have diminished.  We've understood since the 50's that gay identity has little to do with gay sex which the majority of all humans seems to enjoy to some degree.  For example, only 3% of daily viewers on PornHub come in through the gay video portal but an astonishing 40% of all content viewed on Pornhub is male only.  That's a whole lot of straight men jerking off to a whole lot of porn with zero women.  Any psychologist or priest will tell you that the percentage of straight men who feel burdened by a single same-sex indulgence or recurring gay fantasy is closer to 80-90% range.  Studies of actual sexual arousal patterns confirm that virtually all women are aroused by sex acts between only females and the majority of all men are aroused by sex acts between only males.

You see peaks of homosexuality in Greece, the Roman Republic,  Western democracies, etc. Gay marriage was briefly legalized in the early days of the French and Russian revolutions.

Its not so much an increase in same-sex experimentation so much as an increase in (men's) willingness to talk about their secret feelings.

while pedophilia is getting turned on by prepubescent children.  Greeks and Roman men had a lot of sex with teenage boys but those boys generally weren't any younger than the legal age of marriage for women.  Pedophilia was still a crime in both of those cultures.

the absence of women's suffrage in conservative Islamic societies

Pedophilia, Bestiality, - these are cases of rape- the sex is involuntary, the victim is not in a position to say no.

I have long argued that the LGBTQ+ initialism is stupid.  Queer is a one syllable word and the semantic intent is recognizable just about anywhere English is spoken.  Just as queer is seldom used as a synonymous with odd anymore exactly because the widely understood alternative meaning.  Queer is inclusive, already including a the initials commonly employed  but also initials to rare to include.  Somebody should contact the monolithic gay culture community hotline and tell them that stringing on more initials is tiresome and erosive to queer reputation.  We're not going to just keep adding syllables to acronyms until nobody can stand to use the term.  Queer is fine, direct, super-inclusive, well-understood and comes with the advantage of a certain amount of history.

Animals can't consent.

I don't see homosexuality being offensive at all.

People who are related having sex with one another is creepy.

- LOL! No. Don't lie please.

What are you so afraid of? Where's the courage of your convictions?

Answer me:

Are their circumstances under which it is acceptable to have sex with a 9 year old girl?

Don't always assume the other party doesn't know the subject. Some of us do know..

The punishment for rape in Pakistan is death penalty, unlike in your countries

  Yes, I am assuming that I know more about the subject than you

Why, what do you know about being gay?

This measure by itself has to power to suppress most incidents of rape in Pakistan, yet you don't see it.

- Then why are you extrapolating on the rest of the population!?

• No? 
  
• oh.
  

Speaking of extrapolating on populations, did you read that poem I wrote last weekend and posted in ARTISTIC EXPRESSIONS?

You know what's absolutely depraved though, it's the dozens of millions of teen & preteen children in your country being in sexual relationships without marriage,

MARRIAGE. Perfectly legal in your country as well,

If you were born a couple of decades ago, you would've abhorred gays

- Hmm... whatever happened to that dude?

Someone who is 9 can not give informed consent to sex and/or marriage.

That is why pedophilia is considered predatory

- someone old enough to understand the scenario is taking advantage of someone who is not.

 I will take an incomplete morality over a rigidly flawed 7th century morality which does not allow for the insights new information can provide.