Supreme Court has overturned Roe V Wade

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"WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court has overturned the monumental Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion across the America.
The 6-3 decision on Friday followed the early May leak of a draft opinion indicating which way the justices would rule. That leak prompted protesting across the nation, particularly in Washington, D.C. as well as dozens of attacks and vandalism of pro-life organizations, centers, and churches.

Justice Samuel Alito wrote that Roe and a subsequent case, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which upheld Roe, both must be overturned, and the right to allow, deny, or restrict the right to an abortion must reside with states.

“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” the opinion states. “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision.”"


I never thought it would happen to be honest. But a W nonetheless
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We coat hangar manufacturers (in China) are going to make a fortune.
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Will the 13th Amendment be next?
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I disagree with everything you said in that last sentence. Saw this coming a mile away, and it is most definitely not "a W".

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I disagree with everything you said in that last sentence. Saw this coming a mile away, and it is most definitely not "a W".
#PromisesMadePromisesKept


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Will the 13th Amendment be next?
You can’t overturn an amendment without another amendment lol
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I never thought it would happen to be honest. But a W nonetheless
This was possible because of one person: Donald John Trump

#PromisesMadePromisesKept
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And McConnell. Don't forget the seats he stole, Gorsuch and Barrett. 
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 Vatican City  prohibits abortion under all circumstances including rape and incest.
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And McConnell. Don't forget the seats he stole, Gorsuch and Barrett. 
“Stole.” You mean fulfill his duty of advising and consenting.

I hate Mitch, but man knows how to play politics for sure.
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Well, I suppose people can vote and/or move to states where they think abortion 'is right, or wrong.
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It is so funny how the House and Senate and Presidency are all blue but they have done nothing to try and take away red policies. Just proof of there incompetency as a party

2. I do not consider this a W. I am pro life, however, our government should have no say in what a person can do with their bodies. It is simply not anyone's decision besides that person. To deny person that liberty violates the freedoms promised in our constitution. I would much rather have a government that let things happen that a government that is actively restricting peoples liberties
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My issue with abortions come with the public funding of abortion, where tax dollars go into abortion clinics. Abortions are a human mistake and should be taken out that humans pocket, not a taxpayer
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Nothing in that court ruling is stopping Democrats from running an abortion platform to get 2/3 support for a national Amendment to the Constitution....oh yeah, that inflation thinghy...
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It is so funny how the House and Senate and Presidency are all blue but they have done nothing to try and take away red policies. Just proof of there incompetency as a party
They’re focused on J6.

2. I do not consider this a W. I am pro life, however, our government should have no say in what a person can do with their bodies.
That’s not what SCOTUS did. They said the Constitution holds no right to abortion and thus the representatives of the people ought to determine the laws regarding abortion.

It is simply not anyone's decision besides that person. To deny person that liberty violates the freedoms promised in our constitution.
If you mean the rights of the unborn then yes.

I would much rather have a government that let things happen that a government that is actively restricting peoples liberties
Talk to your state government official, not the Supreme Court
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Nothing in that court ruling is stopping Democrats from running an abortion platform to get 2/3 support for a national Amendment to the Constitution....oh yeah, that inflation thinghy...
Funny how all of sudden libs know what a woman is
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Funny how all of sudden libs know what a woman is

"With Roe in place, the United States has also been an international outlier on abortion rights, but in the other direction. Few countries allow abortion without restriction until fetal viability, the cutoff set by Roe v. Wade half a century ago — currently around 23 weeks, because of medical advances. That makes the United States one of just over a dozen countries that allow abortions for any reason beyond 15 weeks of pregnancy, the threshold in the Mississippi law that the Supreme Court considered in its private vote to overturn Roe. France and Colombia recently joined that group."

USA is forced to join the rest of the developed world that has no national rights for on-demand abortions up to the 9th month. 
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no it wasn't. 
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50 years and it wasnt overturned. So yeah, a bit surprising in my view.

And, it is a W
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It is so funny how the House and Senate and Presidency are all blue but they have done nothing to try and take away red policies. Just proof of there incompetency as a party
No it isn't. This is proof that the SCOTUS is the most powerful institution in the whole country. There is NO way you can fight them, and they can really make any ruling they want to make

2. I do not consider this a W. I am pro life, however, our government should have no say in what a person can do with their bodies. It is simply not anyone's decision besides that person. To deny person that liberty violates the freedoms promised in our constitution. I would much rather have a government that let things happen that a government that is actively restricting peoples liberties
You don't have the liberty to murder a human baby. The government should uphold moral values and principles that actually help the nation. Which includes banning abortion. There is no need to construct an imaginative civic idea of "gubberment should have no say" when in reality, the government will ALWAYS have a say and influence behavior, as it should really.
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50 years and it wasnt overturned. So yeah, a bit surprising in my view.

And, it is a W

How many countries have their abortion policy decided by courts, versus democratically? The US is truly a global outlier in allowing judges to remove this issue from the political process. The same people engaging in performative hand-wringing about the so-called decline of "democracy" in America are perfectly happy to have unelected judges decide major issues of public policy (so long as the outcome suits them).
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The overruling of Prop 187 was particularly disgusting because it effectively extended Constitutional rights to non-citizens.
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A good lesson in not flying too close to the sun. If liberals in the 60s and 70s had pushed a law permitting abortions nationwide in the first trimester and banning them after that, the standard that’s the law of the land in most developed countries, that would be the law of the land today. But doing so would’ve taken political capital and wouldn’t have been as extreme a standard as the one Roe set. While it didn’t seem obvious at the time, fifty years is after all a long time, it was inevitable that eventually there would be a majority on the Supreme Court that respected the law and the constitution, which clearly is silent on abortion. Live by the judiciary die by the judiciary basically 
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Donald Trump in Leaked Audio: I Can ‘Do Anything’ to Women. I guess he can.
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At least Donald Drumphles knew what a woman was.
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Do any protesters at The Supreme Court have signs that say " Hang Alito" ?
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Do any protesters at The Supreme Court have signs that say " Hang Alito" ?
If they do, they’re insurrectionists
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While it didn’t seem obvious at the time, fifty years is after all a long time, it was inevitable that eventually there would be a majority on the Supreme Court that respected the law and the constitution, which clearly is silent on abortion. Live by the judiciary die by the judiciary basically 
I can't imagine how pro-life people felt at the time. Abortion wasn't nearly the polarized and hot button issue it is today back then but Roe was so unbelievably inappropriate and such transparent legislating from the bench...it had to have felt awful. 

Fortunately now we have such reliable and widely available methods of contraception that abortion has been rendered obsolete by technology if people are willing to take even the most basic level of care. Hopefully many of the babies that otherwise would have been aborted are never conceived to begin with as people recognize unprotected sex with a non committed partner as the extremely risky behavior it is and change their behavior to match