Turing test. Slavery or Capitalism?

Author: Greyparrot ,

Topic's posts

Posts in total: 20
  • Greyparrot
    Greyparrot avatar
    Debates: 2
    Forum posts: 8,429
    3
    3
    8
    Greyparrot avatar
    Greyparrot
    America developed from a struggling collection of colonies to the wealthiest nation in the world mainly due to....

    1) Capitalism...or...

    2) 100 years of Slavery.


  • ResurgetExFavilla
    ResurgetExFavilla avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 556
    2
    2
    7
    ResurgetExFavilla avatar
    ResurgetExFavilla
    --> @Greyparrot
    3. Geopolitical isolation
  • Greyparrot
    Greyparrot avatar
    Debates: 2
    Forum posts: 8,429
    3
    3
    8
    Greyparrot avatar
    Greyparrot
    --> @ResurgetExFavilla
    So why isn't Haiti an economic powerhouse then? It's pretty isolated geopolitically....
  • ResurgetExFavilla
    ResurgetExFavilla avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 556
    2
    2
    7
    ResurgetExFavilla avatar
    ResurgetExFavilla
    --> @Greyparrot
    Not really, it's in the Carribean which was a playground of European colonialism for centuries after the US was independent. Islands which are isolated geopolitically and culturally aren't really a good comparison because they can't combine together as the thirteen colonies could. Haiti was also essentially a plantation as well, not a real country. Its catastrophic slave revolt ended in predictable dilapidation.

  • Greyparrot
    Greyparrot avatar
    Debates: 2
    Forum posts: 8,429
    3
    3
    8
    Greyparrot avatar
    Greyparrot
    --> @ResurgetExFavilla
    Don't be silly. Haiti won its independence in 1804... only 30 years after the USA. Since then it has been very isolated.


    You're pulling this geocrap isolation out of thin air, because America was never considered purely an isolationist nation from 1776 to the present. American policies historically shifted from one to the other while wealth steadily increased. Isolationism therefore is clearly not a correlating variable to the generation of national wealth.

    Most importantly, there exists zero evidence, (even if America was supposedly an isolationist nation) that it was the MAIN cause for America's dominating wealth status, especially when compared to other indigent nations that emerged in the Americas around the same time that were actually historically considered to be isolationists.

    Points for attempting to appear clever though.

  • RationalMadman
    RationalMadman avatar
    Debates: 294
    Forum posts: 8,925
    10
    10
    11
    RationalMadman avatar
    RationalMadman
    --> @Greyparrot
    Mainly by caring about nothing but becoming that very thing.
  • Plisken
    Plisken avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 709
    2
    1
    4
    Plisken avatar
    Plisken
    --> @Greyparrot
    America has been pretty good at picking it's battles, and of course if government can do its job and still stay out of the way, the economy is going to do what it needs to do....it's not that America was greedily hording wealth as a goal. Switzerland is fairly comparable model that is probably better off than the US.  

  • Greyparrot
    Greyparrot avatar
    Debates: 2
    Forum posts: 8,429
    3
    3
    8
    Greyparrot avatar
    Greyparrot
    --> @Plisken
    Answer the OP question please.
  • ResurgetExFavilla
    ResurgetExFavilla avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 556
    2
    2
    7
    ResurgetExFavilla avatar
    ResurgetExFavilla
    --> @Greyparrot
    Geopolitical isolation =/= political isolation. You should know this. The US had the CHOICE to be isolationist when it served their interests. Countries like the Ukraine and Poland did not have that choice. Neither did France and Germany, or even England. When we entered a war, it was half a world away, we sold weapons and supplies during the build-up, and then we sold the materials to rebuild infrastructure afterwards. Haiti's 'independence' consisted of a genocide of the ruling class and a descent into poverty and chaos. Very different from the American revolution on all terms.

    The Monroe Doctrine was a real thing, and it was very effective, but it would not have worked anywhere else in the world.
  • FaustianJustice
    FaustianJustice avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 146
    0
    1
    3
    FaustianJustice avatar
    FaustianJustice
    --> @Greyparrot

    Answer the OP question please.

    Your question is fallacious.  Slaves were considered 'capital'.  

    Its like asking what makes orange juice, a juicer or an orange.
  • Greyparrot
    Greyparrot avatar
    Debates: 2
    Forum posts: 8,429
    3
    3
    8
    Greyparrot avatar
    Greyparrot
    --> @FaustianJustice
    This is the correct answer.
  • Plisken
    Plisken avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 709
    2
    1
    4
    Plisken avatar
    Plisken
    --> @Greyparrot
    Capitalism.  
  • Greyparrot
    Greyparrot avatar
    Debates: 2
    Forum posts: 8,429
    3
    3
    8
    Greyparrot avatar
    Greyparrot
    --> @Plisken
    This is a turing test question designed to have you think outside of the box rather than answer the scripted dogma answers.

  • Plisken
    Plisken avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 709
    2
    1
    4
    Plisken avatar
    Plisken
    --> @Greyparrot
    How would people generate accountable wealth without profit? 
  • Plisken
    Plisken avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 709
    2
    1
    4
    Plisken avatar
    Plisken
    It just makes sense, that you need to account for stuff on your own or you can't even assume what you need to survive...but a capitalist system can exist with restriction on wealth generating members of society.  I don't know if calling "capitalism" a main contribution would be appropriate to real world consideration but it doesn't hurt.  
  • ethang5
    ethang5 avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 4,457
    3
    3
    6
    ethang5 avatar
    ethang5
    Your question is fallacious.  Slaves were considered 'capital'.  
    Then it was capitalism no?
  • Plisken
    Plisken avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 709
    2
    1
    4
    Plisken avatar
    Plisken
    --> @ethang5
    The Americans in charge of business didn't suck at conducting their business, and most Americans were busy.
  • Alec
    Alec avatar
    Debates: 42
    Forum posts: 2,474
    5
    7
    11
    Alec avatar
    Alec
    Other countries like Brazil had slavery.  However, Brazil went socialist for some time and they are now an economic failure.  America on the other hand, is capitalist and abolished slavery before Brazil did.  Capitalism is the cause of America's Success.

    I vote Capitalism.
  • Dk-McDan
    Dk-McDan avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 31
    0
    0
    3
    Dk-McDan avatar
    Dk-McDan
    I would concur with the above posts that slavery was capitalism. Slavery was a component of capitalism centuries ago, the branch of the whole tree. Capitalism is the obvious answer.
  • FaustianJustice
    FaustianJustice avatar
    Debates: 0
    Forum posts: 146
    0
    1
    3
    FaustianJustice avatar
    FaustianJustice
    --> @ethang5
    So the answers are really
    1) Captialism
    2) 100 years of (currently unaccepted) capitalism


    Yeah, that is a fallacious question, Ethan.