"Gender Affirming Care" is a snare and a delusion

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Fields of expertise and their institutions are self-reinforcing instrumentalities, through which power is exercised and the opportunity to do so is created by their production of knowledge.  This, Foucault taught from the 1960s and beyond.  

Psychiatry is one such field of expertise.  The American Psychiatric Association is one such institution.  Both produce certain "knowledge," including, as relevant here, the DSM-III.  The practice of so-called "psychiatry" is one such means through which their power is exercised.  

Foucault excoriated the so-called field of psychiatry for the extent of its pseudoscientific fraud in the DSM-II.   The DSM-II identified "homosexuality" as an ostensibly "diagnosis."  Then, the APA --- in its infinite wisdom --- concluded that homosexuality was a "disorder" with potentially pathological roots.  The APA and its allegedly "expert" members had no shortage of theories as to why. 

Then-existing empirically supported theories of normal variation (i.e., "born that way") were rejected in favor of normative pontification, according to stereotypes of "masculinity" and "femininity," among others.  Actual scientific proof that homosexuality was not the result of individual pathology yielded to then-prevailing behavioral theories, including excessive mothering, hostile fathering or sexual abuse in childhood explained personality deficits based on those same stereotypes and lacking anything approximating empirical support.  

And for all its moralizing, normative bullshit, the APA proposed no shortage "therapies" for the "deviance" of homosexuality as it was then conceptualized by the so-called field of psychology.  They included electro convulsive "therapy," including by placing electrodes on the genitals of stereotypically "effeminate" young boys or stereotypically "masculine" young girls, and directing "corrective" shocks through their bodies at that location while exposing them to homosexual pornographic material.  This torture was called "operant conditioning," a form of purportedly
behavioral therapy to "treat" this so-called "disorder."  Of course, it failed without exception because the behavioral theories were devoid of anything even vaguely resembling evidentiary support.  But the psychiatrists were undeterred.  

Excessive and often physical punishment, exposure to heterosexual pornography, sexual abuse at the hand of a member of the opposite sex and finally pharmaceutical and surgical interventions followed.  The pharmaceutical "treatments," at the time, included giving boys high-dose injections of medroxyprogesterone acetate.  Or as you may know it, "Depo Provera."  

Depo Provera was the drug that the British government forced on Alan Turing, to chemically castrate him for being gay, as was a routine practice among psychiatrists to "treat" all "homosexuals" at that time.  It is the same drug that is routinely administered to sex offenders for chemical castration, now.  It reduces sex drive in men and is used as a form of chemical castration to control inappropriate or unwanted sexual behavior in those with paraphilias (like when homosexuality was one of those, according to the so-called field of psychology) or hypersexuality, including in convicted sex offenders.

But Depo Provera is not the only drug used for chemical castration nor is its use, or that class of drugs' use limited to chemical castration.  It is routinely prescribed by psychiatrists to treat the current disorder that's all the rage now . . . gender dysphoria.  In fact, the same drug at the same dosages and on the same regimen could be prescribed to a prepubescent boy as a form of so-called "puberty blocker" and/or "feminizing hormone therapy" due to its progestogenic and functional antiandrogenic effects.  

Nor was "chemical castration" the only "treatment" for "homosexuality," according to the APA and its DSM-II.  Surgical castration was the more permanent solution, and tens of thousands of men, teenagers and boys were involuntarily surgically castrated based on nothing more than a psychiatrist's imperiousness based no nothing more than his own pseudoscientific delusion.  If you were found to be "a homosexual" by such a fraud and refused your "treatment" you would be involuntarily committed by a court and forced to undergo the procedure anyway.  This practice continued in the United States until well into the late 1980s, even AFTER THE DSM-II WAS REPLACED by the DSM-III.  It took about a generation for practitioners to catch up. 

However, the field of psychiatry was not done sexually mutilating children with chemicals and butchery under the snare and delusion of "therapy." Nothing has actually changed, in substance or practice.  Only how the field of psychiatry tells the world at large to conceptualize what it is doing.   So-called "trans" issues are now in vogue and allegedly "gender affirming care" has taken the place of both chemically and surgically mutilating children.  But with new branding, new messaging and new politics. 

Such.  Great.  Progress. 

  • Instead of "treating" the purported "deviancy" of homosexualuty (DSM-II), now the field of psychiatry "affirms" the purported "gender" of supposed "transexuals" (DSM-5).
  • Instead of "chemically castrating" stereotypically effeminate, often prepubescent or barely pubescent boys with high dose regimens of Depo Provera (or other such drugs) because of their "homosexuality" (DSM-II); the field of psychiatry purports to "transition" or "block the puberty of" those exact same stereotypically effeminate, often prepubescent or barely pubescent boys, with those exact same high dose regimens of Depo Provera (or other such drugs) because of their "gender dysphoria" (DSM-5).  
  • Instead of surgically castrating them for homosexuality, psychiatrists surgically castrate them to begin their "gender reassignment."  
How far we have come.  This snare and delusion.

But the approach is far, far more evil now.  Now,  the societal conditions favor inducing children to opt-in to the "in group" that is "trans."  Without any regard for the actual consequences at all.  Then, at least you weren't incentivized to involuntarily place yourself onto the "transitioning gender conveyor belt" of chemical and surgical sexual mutilation.  But now?  You totally are.  Especially if you were already involved in the psychiatric racket, for something else.  Why else would such an alarmingly high amount of so-called "trans" people have so many extensive co-morbidities?  

Gender affirming care is no such thing.  It's the 2022 iteration of what Foucault excoriated the APA for, before the APA removed homosexuality from  the DSM-II.  

This malicious fraud must be identified for what it is, that all may recognize its inherent, egregious and well-masqueraded evil.  


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Well stated.
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I really love how you word the trend as "the production of knowledge"

I would have hoped academics would be more interested in the pursuit and accumulation of collaborative knowledge instead of the creation out of whole cloth.

But alas, in today's crony education, production equates to profit.
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The more I think on it, the more it strikes me that even suggesting to a child that being born into the “wrong” sex is even possible is deeply insidious. This idea can be very seductive to people who feel they don’t fit in or are going through some kind of trauma, and they can easily find themselves deep into a rabbit hole that offers some temporary catharsis (and importantly a lot of social validation) but causes them lasting harm in the long run. Particularly because these same ideologies define gender roles in an extremely rigid and frankly rather sexist manner. If you instead of being tall, broad, deep voiced, sports loving or love outdoors/guns/ other “manly” things, constantly horny for women, square jawed, don’t care about clothes… if you’re something different…perhaps you aren’t really a man? Or maybe just less of one? 

As you note, this leads to making it seem like a pathology if people deviate from a norm. A boy who wants to kiss other boys or a girl who wants to play football aren’t secretly a girl or a boy respectively because they deviate from a norm. Indeed every single cell in their body tells the opposite story. Trying to brute force that body, which began differentiating from a blank slate into their given sex literally at the moment of conception, into something different just destroys it in the end. 

The reality is that we all have one body, if we have a “soul” or anything that transcends the body on this Earth it’s tied up with our physical presence and cannot escape. If someone feels like they (whatever that means in an abstract way that isn’t tied up to the body) should’ve been born as a man/woman (although again what that would actually mean is that SOMEONE ELSE was born and not them)…tough luck unfortunately. Gotta make do with what you have and come to terms with yourself as you actually are. Deliberately turning children away from self acceptance and towards an ideology that harnesses their worst impulses in the service of their own destruction is horrifying. There will be a reckoning and these people will be unable to answer for their crimes, in this life and the next. 
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The more I think on it, the more it strikes me that even suggesting to a child that being born into the “wrong” sex is even possible is deeply insidious. This idea can be very seductive to people who feel they don’t fit in or are going through some kind of trauma, and they can easily find themselves deep into a rabbit hole that offers some temporary catharsis (and importantly a lot of social validation) but causes them lasting harm in the long run. 
The whole concept offers the idea of salvation once you reach the promised land of being socially accepted as the opposite sex and physically passing. If only you can accomplish this, all of your problems will go away! And the thing is—THIS WORKS! For a time. The project of reengineering the body to look totally different will snap a depressed person out of their malaise. It will get them connected with people all over the world going through the same thing, it will provide them with a form of social capital in the form of an “oppressed identity” and some drugs can cause euphoria or have other psychological effects. 

But what’s actually happening under the hood? These transitions aren’t harmless. Instead what’s actually happening is that the individual is destroying their body, often sterilizing themselves and ensuring they’ll never have children or causing lasting damage such as unwanted body hair or permanently changed voices. In extreme cases surgical mutilation occurs at an age where an individual is not allowed to buy a beer, own a gun, have sex, or even drive a car.

All of this is in pursuit of an impossible goal. We are all familiar with the “You Will Never Be A Woman” copypasta—as brutal as it is, every word is true. Very few if any actually manage to pass, and those few that do will find to their dissatisfaction that it didn’t actually solve all of their problems after all. In extreme cases, the desire to change sex consumes the entire personality and these people cease to exist for any reason other than to be transsexual. Many of those who detransition discover with horror that many of the changes to their bodies are permanent. De transition forums are chalk full of girls crying their eyes out over their permanently deep voices, their anger that they’ll never be pretty again, the tragic realization that they will never be able to have children…and their cries fall on deaf ears except to supposedly hateful people like me. 

As an aside I’ve seen the pro mutilation people (including a monstrous surgeon) say “it’s okay to remove a teenage girls breasts because if she wants them back later we can just put them on.” This gets back to my point that at its root this ideology is actually incredibly sexiest. Uh, news flash, breasts are organs not sex objects. Sure you can get fake tits but you’ll never be able to use them for their actual purpose of nursing an infant and your body (a holistic system) will forever be missing a piece 
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I agree. 

Some historical perspective. . . . . . The actual practice of so-called "gender affirming care" is indistinguishable from the war crimes for which we hung Nazis at the end of World War II, after convicting them for crimes against humanity at Nuremberg.   The only thing that is different is the story people tell themselves or hear from fields of so-called "experts" within the so-called field of "psychiatry."  It's worth keeping in mind that Nazis forcibly castrated Jews, first.  That was something they tried before the gas chambers.   

The more I think on it, the more it strikes me that even suggesting to a child that being born into the “wrong” sex is even possible is deeply insidious. This idea can be very seductive to people who feel they don’t fit in or are going through some kind of trauma, and they can easily find themselves deep into a rabbit hole that offers some temporary catharsis (and importantly a lot of social validation) but causes them lasting harm in the long run. 
If you do a search on Google Scholar for comorbidities between so-called "gender dysphoria" and literally all other psychiatric "conditions," you'll be horrified by what you find.

Here's one of the most common, and most egregious, cases for boys (post DSM-5): 

Boy is diagnosed with some variation of "autism" at or around the point of early childhood.  Boy is prescribed a combination of all kinds of drugs, typically at least something like Concerta or Ritalin (which I don't have a problem with giving to non-autistic kids or adults, btw., but I see no value whatsoever in giving it to autistic kids that are non-high functioning), a mood stabilizer, an anti-anxiety medication and whatever else the psychiatrist can justifiably bill to the kid's parents' insurance provider.  And there's a LOT of room to play there.  

Boy's parents, knowing nothing about psychiatry, trust the "doctor" is doing what is in their kid's best interest because that's the societal expectation of all doctors.  And parents, however well meaning, are incapable of ascertaining the difference between what is and is not in their child's best interest because they are not subject matter experts within the alleged field of alleged knowledge that is "psychiatry."  Nor do they have a even minimally adequate amount of subject matter expertise to even have that discussion, in almost all circumstances.

But by the time boy gets into school, there are problems.  Because he's autistic.  After he gets an IEP,  he's going to be "working" with "educators."  Those adults likely, at most, have masters degrees in "education."  I could write a book on why a masters degree in "education" is something that should not even be offered by universities, but I'll avoid that digression.  The point is that those venomous people bring to their implementation of this particular hypothetical boy's IEP all their pseudo-moralistic, normative and pseudo-scientific bullshit about "trans."  

It's not even trans people that push trans bullshit on children.  It's medically illiterate, but politically indoctrinated "educators" who this hypothetical boy is going to spend most of his waking hours with at school.  Usually elementary and middle, but sometimes high school too; whether inside or outside of special ed programs.  This is where he learns about "trans."  Eventually, he might even be convinced by these people that he, too, was "born in the wrong body."  After all, what else could explain why he has such social difficulty making friends, connecting with people and the like?  He may know that he is autistic, but he doesn't have the conceptual model to distinguish between "problems that are attributable to autism" and "problems that are not attributable to autism."  

So one day, he "has the courage" to "come out" as "trans."  After hearing about it from these same people who talk about "trans" with the zeal and persistence of fundamentalist missionaries, he's sold.  But he's nine years old, and doesn't have a clue what sex is, what gender is or what the biological differences between males and females are.  This is a momenuts day for the the "educators," who "celebrate" his "courage" and lavish him with social praise for this "act" of "bravery."  And every other child in these adults' purview sees what is happening.  They, too, wish to receive the social reward of such "acts" of "bravery." 

So begins the cascade of ostensibly trans kids concentrated within special ed programs; a predominant share of which who previously were diagnosed with autism (including high functioning autism).  Now begins the "gender reassignment" conveyor belt that likely starts by encouraging a prepubescent child to cross-dress, consume chemically castrating cocktails of pharmaceuticals and eventually undergo surgical castration (i.e., the first step in the battery of sexual mutilation that psychiatrists who practice "gender affirming care" call "reassignment surgeries").  But, what if as a parent you object to the "care" of these liars, butchers and frauds?  Of course, you're a transphobe who must be silenced while the psychiatrists sexually mutilate your son.  

This is on par with Nazi war crimes.  Everyone within the alleged field of so-called psychiatry that is willing to participate in these activities should be, at a minimum, strippped of their license to practice, imprisoned and probably kept there for the rest of their lives.  The only reason I wouldn't recommend putting them before a firing squad is because I oppose the death penalty.  

Particularly because these same ideologies define gender roles in an extremely rigid and frankly rather sexist manner. If you instead of being tall, broad, deep voiced, sports loving or love outdoors/guns/ other “manly” things, constantly horny for women, square jawed, don’t care about clothes… if you’re something different…perhaps you aren’t really a man? Or maybe just less of one? 
That is exactly the same insidious evil in play here.  Before the DSM-III, the idea was to make all stereotypically effeminate boys "more masculine," where masculinity was measured against little more than then-existing cultural artifacts like how (ironically) James Dean looked.  And to make all stereotypically masculine girls "more feminine," where femininity was measured against Marilyn Monroe's portrayal by Hollywood or some other archetype from some other fiction.  

What's ironic is that the intersectionalists figured out as far back as the 1970s that it is egregiously wrong to use heteronormative stereotypes of masculinity or femininity to ascertain whether someone is or is not heterosexual.   Yet, the next generation of another "field" (e.g., education) uses those exact same heteronormative stereotypes to basically bully boys that want to play with Barbie Dolls or My Little Pony or girls who want to play in the dirt, into being "trans."  

This is the state of psychiatry, now.  As a field it was fucked beyond all repair before the 1970s.  Academia, largely in France and California, called bullshit.  Foucault led the charge, in large part.  That's what got "homosexuality" out of the DSM-III.  Psychiatry had its internal crisis of "what if we're the baddies?"  And for a brief period of time, it looked like things might be improving.  But now, they're back doing the same old shit they were doing before the DSM-III, just with new branding.  It is repulsive.  Any psychiatrist who supports this should hang themselves from the nearest rafter.  

Deliberately turning children away from self acceptance and towards an ideology that harnesses their worst impulses in the service of their own destruction is horrifying. 
Especially when every level of why this this praxis is wrong, was known/knowable based on information known in the field before the DSM-IV was even published.  



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What is gender-affirming care?
Gender-affirming care, as defined by the World Health Organization, encompasses a range of social, psychological, behavioral, and medical interventions “designed to support and affirm an individual’s gender identity” when it conflicts with the gender they were assigned at birth. The interventions help transgender people align various aspects of their lives — emotional, interpersonal, and biological — with their gender identity. As noted by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), that identity can run anywhere along a continuum that includes man, woman, a combination of those, neither of those, and fluid.The interventions fall along a continuum as well, from counseling to changes in social expression to medications (such as hormone therapy). For children in particular, the timing of the interventions is based on several factors, including cognitive and physical development as well as parental consent. Surgery, including to reduce a person’s Adam’s Apple, or to align their chest or genitalia with their gender identity,is rarely provided to people under 18.
“The goal is not treatment, but to listen to the child and build understanding — to create an environment of safety in which emotions, questions, and concerns can be explored,” says Rafferty, lead author of a policy statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) on gender-affirming care.
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You should probably steralyze yourself in response to the Supreme Court's overturning Roe v. Wade.  
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Deep burn.
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I love this thread a lot, it is part of what will come up here:

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Can you imagine people saying they were born the wrong race etc? Such people have existed and been really ridiculed.

The real solution is to help them feel comfortable in their genuine body, not to play games and tell them they ought to alter it to mimic the race or sex they prefer.
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Genderqueer is a movement that goes beyond gender binary (Male or female) or even transgender or homosexuality. They are explicitly queer and cannot be defined by gender or sex.
For example genderqueer would include queers with multiple vaginas or multiple penises. These queers would not belong to or be limited to LGBT labels.
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I swear, Shila sounds like a chatbot sometimes, mumbling algorithmic poetry.
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I swear, Shila sounds like a chatbot sometimes, mumbling algorithmic poetry

RationalMadman: The real solution is to help them feel comfortable in their genuine body, not to play games and tell them they ought to alter it to mimic the race or sex they prefer.
For example genderqueer would include queers with multiple vaginas or multiple penises. These queers would not belong to or be limited to LGBT labels.



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Another threat expressing the butt hurt of white man.
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Polytheist-Witch: Another threat expressing the butt hurt of white man.
Butt hurt white man may not qualify as a genderqueer.

Genderqueer is a movement that goes beyond gender binary (Male or female) or even transgender or homosexuality. They are explicitly queer and cannot be defined by gender or sex.
For example genderqueer would include queers with multiple vaginas or multiple penises. These queers would not belong to or be limited to LGBT labels.

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You really do not know what genderqueer is.
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It's a chatbot dude.
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I like your thought process and eloquent prose. You should contact Matt Walsh and collaborate with him on this subject. I do not think I've heard such an analysis from him that you gave here. KUDOS!!! 
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RationalMadman: You really do not know what genderqueer is.
Your condition does not suggest you know what genderqueer is either.
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Deep burn.
And an apropos one at that! 
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Deep burn.
And an apropos one at 
How does that amount to gender affirming  care?

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He/she/it/they/them is a broken record of cut-n-paste BJs.
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I swear, Shila sounds like a chatbot sometimes, mumbling algorithmic poetry.
He/she/it/they/them is a broken record of cut-n-paste BJs.
What are BJs?