Why would a good God create natural selection?

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Why did a benevolent God create the natural laws that ensure the strong inherit the earth?

Does he just hate disabled people?

Are disabled people evil?
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Good = True

God is The Ultimate Reality.



God is good because God is the most true.


The fall of man happened when people, with the knowledge of good and evil, took themselves as being the rightful judges of these things when we are both too invested in this world and lack perspective.


God is good all the time. All the time, God is good.


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Is natural selection evil?
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Address the questions just FOR ONCE!!!!!!!! He didn't ask for a sermon. 
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Is it evil that a society that puts its faith in lying vanities, forsakes reality, rests on its decadence, and neglects to strengthen the hand of the poor gets wrecked by calamity?

No, it's natural selection, and it is divine judgement.

But the rain falls on the just as well as the unjust.

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No, it's natural selection, and it is divine judgement.
So natural selection is a good thing? Don't confuse me..pick one!
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It is what it is.

If God willed that something should be, who am I to say that it should have been different?

To love God is to accept reality. Is natural selection a reality? It sure seems that way.


Natural selection doesn't simply dictate that the strong take over the Earth. Natural selection also dictates that the strong will be brought down and made weak. Their strength is temporary.

The strength of God is Eternal.


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"Is what it is" eh?

Some moral compass you got there buddy...endlessly spinning...
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Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
If God is The Truth, what is moral?

Accepting reality, accepting the truth, and not putting in its place vain imaginings.

And loving others comes from accepting The Truth, because if we do not forgive others their sins we are like the man who begged to his debtor for more time to pay him back. The debtor forgave the whole debt, and the one who was forgiven left to break the knees of those who owed him money. When the one who forgave the debt finds out about how the one he forgave went on and behaved unmercifully towards others that were in his position, he will have him tormented until every last penny is paid.


So true morality comes from the love of God, The Truth, not an arbitrary sense of personal aesthetics.



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Which benevolent God are you talking about?
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Capital "G" God means "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality".
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To you it might. 
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I don't know why any god(s) would but if some god(s) are responsible for the creation of life then clearly the god(s) under discussion did create a system of survival of the fittest. It should be mentioned however that fittest doesn't necessarily mean strongest.
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Well, if it isn't that, it would be a god, not God.

A great deal of superstition has its root in bad language. And when we are dealing with subject matters that are, as an example, older than the English language, there is such thing as good language, because good language does not break continuity. The new language aligns in meaning with the old language.

The word "God" with a capital "G" must mean The Ultimate Reality in order to not only be aligned with Christian theology, but the equivilent in other theologies who may have  more apparent distinction between "God" and "god" in their language.

And fundamentally, this is a theological term, God that is. 

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The fall of man happened when people, with the knowledge of good and evil,
The story of the fall of man allegedly happened when only two people without the knowledge of good and evil allegedly acquired the knowledge of good and evil.
Fixed that for ya, get your fairy tales straight.

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If God is The Truth, what is moral?

Stoning a woman to death for being raped within the city limits.Question answered.

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And Zeus is God.
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Why did a benevolent God create the natural laws that ensure the strong inherit the earth?
He didn't. When man chose sin over God, the entire Earth changed. Sin affected not only people, but all of nature. I have the verses but will site them only if you ask.

Does he just hate disabled people?
Of course not. Some of the greatest champions in the bible were disabled. In fact, Jesus was asked sort of the same question as yours about a disabled man of His time. Jesus' answer is telling.

Are disabled people evil?
No more so than other people. Disability will not stop the salvation of God. There will be tons of formally disabled people in Heaven.
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He didn't. When man chose sin over God, the entire Earth changed. Sin affected not only people, but all of nature. I have the verses but will site them only if you ask.
Guess man is more powerful than god to change the earth and the laws of nature.

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What are you getting at here?  Everyone dies, so I feel inclined to assume you have something against either fitness or "strength".  
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Platitudes, platitudes.
Stick with the Platters you Great Pretender.
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Guess man is more powerful than god to change the earth and the laws of nature.
The Earth changed because of what man did. If you conclude from that,
1. God could not similarly change the Earth,
2. The change was powered by man and not simply a natural consequence of what he did,
3. And that "laws of nature" were changed...

Your "logical process" probably has you locked away tight from any rationality reaching you. You obviously did not get those conclusions from what I said. They don't follow.

I've given you the Christian answers. Accept or reject them, but weird conclusions mentioning things I didn't say, like "more power" and "laws of nature" are just games. Address what I say, not what you think.

Are you by any chance disabled?