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    A vote for con is the vote "There is no truth, reality doesn't exist"

    People don't know what "Truth" and "The Ultimate Reality" means, or they don't know that a definition demonstrates what you are talking about.

    When I say "God" I literally mean The Truth. I mean The Ultimate Reality. 

    No, I am not defining things into existence, I am clarifying rlexactly what it is I am talking about. The only atheist argument is to make God something else.


    And well, if you need evidence of God, there is something wrong with your thinking. How would you ever even get evidence for God if you didn't believe in God? It is self defeating like depression. The Ultimate Reality obviously exists. And if the entire world voted otherwise, it would not change the facts.

    I spent a lot of time putting my argument together. I've had so many votes removed from my debates that the people have beem discouraged from voting. I don't think it's right that votes in my favor get removed while votes that are clearly uninformed and false against me stand. I tied in a debate with RationalMadman because 2 of the voters didn't acknowledge that we used the same sources. Mighty lame.

    What is the point of me staying up into the AM to construct these arguments and source them thoroughly when the only thing someone has to do in order to win a debate is adopt an attitude of invincible ignorance while tearing down straw men?

    So is there anyone who will actually read this debate and see how many concessions my opponent made, how the entire debate he was back peddling and on the ropes, and was slowly descending into more nonsensical arguments?

    Does anyone have understanding at all? The Truth exists even if the entire world disagreed with it. There is no argument against The Truth.

    Well, if you know that a definition is intended to make specific what we are talking about, and you have enough sense to know that The Ultimate Reality" must exist, please vote!

    If not, what is the point in me trying to make a case that isn't even understood? Well, I won't be deterred, because I know what I'm talking about. Popular opinion doesn't make truth.


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    Remind me tomorrow if I don't have time tonight.  
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    Reminded 
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    I don't vote on debates but I agree with the outcome.
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    If the entire world voted and said "The Truth doesn't exist" they would still be wrong.




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    No one said that. They only said you don't know the truth and they are right as far as I can tell.
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    The Truth exists.

    That is what God is.


    The end result of this debate is that the truth doesn't exist.


    Really, the only argument is "nuh uh! Lalalalalalalala"

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    The only argument your opponent made was that you don't know the truth. Go back and read his arguments again.
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    His argument was a straw man coupled with invincible ignorance.

    Me knowing the truth is irrelevent.


    Then I get unbelievers like you and brutaltruth trying to tell me what I believe.

    Which is effectively what both of you do when you try to define my God.

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    In the absence of a full and sensible definition from you what other choice do you leave us? Come on define your god(s) without using a circular argument just one time.
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    The Ultimate Reality.

    That is the definition.


    If you know what that means, it is an argument that stands alone.


    I can't help that this is not what you God deniers want to hear. If you were honest, this would be enough. Since you aren't honest, you have to come up with ridiculous arguments to justify your wickedness like... "Uh.. definitions mean something other than definitions" or "I don't know what that is, so it must be false".


    There is no way I can overcome the stupidity of those who don't believe in The Truth. All they can do is lie.


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    Truth is a concept not an actual thing. Reality is an actual thing but unless you know what is real just saying "reality" is meaningless
  • Mopac
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    No, reality has a great deal of meaning.

    Do you know what reality means?

    Of course you do. Even if you don't know what it is.


    And God is The Ultimate Reality, which you already know exists, even if you don't know God.
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    Saying something is real doesn't tell us anything about that something beyond its existence. Kindly stop pretending it does. 
  • Mopac
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    Stop accusing me of being as stupid as you.
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    I have never accused you af being stupid. I have not once resorted to name calling. That is beneath me. Arguments stand or fail on their own. To call your fellow interlocutor stupid is to ma man ad hominem attack and that is a logical fallacy .
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    Arguments don't stand on their own.

    The Truth stands on its own. The Truth makes arguments stand or fall.

    You can't admit that The Ultimate Reality exists.

    You are objectively an idiot. 

    If you say me making an ad hominem fallacy invalidates what I am saying, you are making the fallacy fallacy.

    But you don't have to be an idiot. You can admit that The Ultimate Reality exists.






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    I'm getting a little tired of the name calling, especially in light of the fact that I have always treated you with respect regardless of your conduct towards me. 
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    The Ultimate Reality exists.


    Until you admit this, I can't help but believe you are a liar.

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    Either stop the name calling and personal attacks or I can't help but believe that you are a very rude person who gives christians a bad name and also that you have no reasonable argument to offer.
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    That isn't a confession that The Ultimate Reality exists.



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    No it is not. Reality most likely exists. That is what I can say while remaining intellectually honest unless something about the situation changes.
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    Reality most likely exists?

    How are you not certain about this?

    How is this intellectually honest?


    If you can't be certain about this, you always have a back door into arbitrariness. A backdoor that you seem to exploit liberally, I might add.


    You are monumentally full of shit.
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    The Dart has spoken.  By a majority vote, I propose we ban the words is, am, and are.  

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    No one here is mindful enough to speak in E-Prime.

    Besides, it's a bad idea anyway.