Muslims Defending Andrew Tate.

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Don’t they believe in sharia law?
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They also believe he is innocent.
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I wonder what their principled reasons are.
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Tate lives by sharia
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If so, they should be making the argument..
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Can I get the source that says Muslims actually defend Andrew Tate? Because without them, I don't believe it.
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We’re not the (Chinese) government. And I’m not saying all Muslims are defending him. But i’ve seen plenty go on prominent youtube podcasts/debates. You’ll end up coming across them if you search for debates on Andrew Tate and sex trafficking.

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I have searched up a few. Eh...

I believe you have used the correct set of terminology, that "muslims" are defending him, not "Islam". I believe that he is trying to fit into the Muslim Community as he thinks it is, which is not entirely the same with "Following Allah's virtues".

Then we have a Christian on this site who embraces Jesus as a serial killer and thinks discrimination as long as mentioned in the bible is just, even going out a way to create a thread to spread ableism. I mean, what do we know?
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Belief doesn't prove anything other than uncertainty.

And principled reasons are often financially inspired.
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Belief =/= uncertainty.

Belief doesn’t necessarily equal uncertainty.

I believe 1 + 1 = 2.
Does that necessarily mean I’m uncertain? Of course not. 

And as for their inspiration, it could just be completely tribal religiosity. 
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I believe 1 + 1 = 2.
Does that necessarily mean I’m uncertain? Of course not. 
No, you don't believe that 1 + 1 = 2,  you are certain that 1 + 1 = 2.
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Believe: verb (used without object), be·lieved, be·liev·ing. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.
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@FLRW
I believe 1 + 1 = 2.
Does that necessarily mean I’m uncertain? Of course not. 
No, you don't believe that 1 + 1 = 2,  you are certain that 1 + 1 = 2.
1 +1 = 10 (base two)

1 +1 = 1  (1 pile of sand + 1 pile of sand = 1  bigger pile of sand)plus 

1 +1 = 1.92  (I gallon ethanol + 1 gallon water = 1.92 gallons) 
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We are talking about integers here (base 10). It is not a belief, it is a fact.
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No, you don't believe that 1 + 1 = 2,  you are certain that 1 + 1 = 2.

Believe: verb (used without object), be·lieved, be·liev·ing. to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so: Only if one believes in something can one act purposefully.
By that definition belief and certainty aren’t contradictory. isn’t having confidence in the truth a form of certainty? Please don’t try to derail the conversation.

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Well.

Within the context of acquired and stored data 1 + 1 = 2 is an unvarying and known fact. 

So why would you need to believe that 1 + 1 = 2

Ok, so you might suggest that there will undoubtedly be the uneducated few who are not furnished with such knowledge, but they could not believe in something that they do not know.


As for GODs and their associated tales. Some people become conditioned  to accept such established propositions as accurate, even though there is no definitive proof available. We refer to this as belief or an uncertain belief that is based upon known but nonfactual data.

It's a bit like waiting at the bus stop for the bus that will hopefully arrive.

More chance of a bus turning up though. Because know for a fact that buses do exist.


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Well.

Within the context of acquired and stored data 1 + 1 = 2 is an unvarying and known fact.

So why would you need to believe that 1 + 1 = 2

Ok, so you might suggest that there will undoubtedly be the uneducated few who are not furnished with such knowledge, but they could not believe in something that they do not know.
Belief has multiple meanings, depending on what context you use it in. I’ve used it entirely correct.

As for GODs and their associated tales. Some people become conditioned  to accept such established propositions as accurate, even though there is no definitive proof available. We refer to this as belief or an uncertain belief that is based upon known but nonfactual data.

It's a bit like waiting at the bus stop for the bus that will hopefully arrive.

More chance of a bus turning up though. Because know for a fact that buses do exist.
Belief is a neutral term for both known and unknown perceptions.
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For sure. belief is a non-specific word.

But I would still suggest, that to believe in something you know for certain is a tad unnecessary.

Therefore, belief actually implies uncertainty.
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@zedvictor4
At face value:

  • Faith implies uncertainty

  • Belief implies impartiality

  • Truth implies certainty


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@Reece101
Faith, Belief and Truth.

What was I saying about non-specific words.


. Faith implies ignorant devotion to something that cannot be known..


. Belief implies acceptance in the absence of knowledge, therefore uncertainty.


. Truth implies honesty, even though honesty does not necessarily imply accuracy.


We could probably do this all day long.

. Probability implies uncertain certainty or certain uncertainty etc etc.
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We wouldn’t need to do this all day if you stayed true to the definitions.
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Belief:   An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.


So an accurate definition per se.

But a definition that presents the interpreter with more that one option.

So not necessarily definitive as a solution to an uncertain question.

Therefore belief by definition has inbuilt uncertainty.
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Alright old man, you win. Even though you’re only focusing in on one aspect of what belief is. 
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Muslims Defending Andrew Tate.

Against what?