tax increases and restructuring defense/healthcare spending should be main focus of debt talks

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overall spending isn't going up much, proportional to what it's been in the past as a percent of GDP, if you dont count social security and medicare. the reason spending keeps going up so much, is because congress is trying to pay back social security and medicare. it's not that all other parts of the government have gone run amok. so what are the republicans trying to do? they are trying to cut spending to the poor, and miscellaneous spending, to pay for entitlements. they're trying to give less food to poor people, to give more money to seniors. they shouldn't be doing that. what should be done, is that taxes should go up. compared to the rest of the developed world, we dont have much of a welfare state, and just looking at what benefits poor people can get... we just dont have much of a welfare state. compared the rest of the developed world, our taxes are low. granted, our bloated healthcare system and defense spending causes our overall (if you count the private sector too) spending to be similar to other countries, albeit we dont spend as much on welfare while overall spending is similar to other countries. so congress should cut into defense spending and healthcare spending (lowering medical reimbursement rates for example) to help pay for increasaed spending. but most importantly, the rich should be paying more in taxes, too.  it's not right that rich people pay less in taxes than their secretaries. 
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No mention of the trillions of corporate welfare dollars spent on the recent BBB bill? color me Pikachu faced.
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Two things to consider:

  1. 39% of the national debt was accumulated under Donald Trump, these games are meant to give the false impression that it's only Democratic Presidents that are the debt problem, they are not the problem.
  2. This debt ceiling crisis, this threat to destroy the US economy and our trust among the world used to pressure a US President, this economic terrorism by our own government happens a lot.  Now think back to the last time a Democratic Congress used the tactic against a Republican President, and then recognize that it has never happened, ever.  This tactic is strictly a Republican tactic, never been used by Democrats, not even once.
The game is to try to wreck the economy and make it look like it's the Democrats fault,  it's the Republican party against the country, against the people.


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 these games are meant to give the false impression that it's only Democratic Presidents that are the debt problem, they are not the problem.

Sadly, it's hard to justify these similar generalizations regarding solutions.
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The use of the debt ceiling as a negotiating tactic has been seen in instances involving Democratic politicians. In 2011, during President Obama's administration, there were debates and negotiations surrounding the debt ceiling. Some Democrats engaged in discussions and utilized the debt ceiling as leverage to push for their policy priorities, such as funding for certain programs or initiatives. This led to a contentious standoff between Democrats and Republicans, raising concerns about potential default on the U.S. government's obligations.

In 2013, during President Obama's second term, there was another episode of debt ceiling negotiations. Democrats were involved in these discussions and used the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip to seek concessions or policy changes from their Republican counterparts. The debates surrounding the debt ceiling and its potential impact on the government's ability to meet financial obligations resulted in a temporary government shutdown.

2011 was particularly nasty as it resulted in a Moody's downgrade.
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The use of the debt ceiling as a negotiating tactic has been seen in instances involving Democratic politicians. In 2011, during President Obama's administration, there were debates and negotiations surrounding the debt ceiling. Some Democrats engaged in discussions and utilized the debt ceiling as leverage to push for their policy priorities, such as funding for certain programs or initiatives. This led to a contentious standoff between Democrats and Republicans, raising concerns about potential default on the U.S. government's obligations.

In 2013, during President Obama's second term, there was another episode of debt ceiling negotiations. Democrats were involved in these discussions and used the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip to seek concessions or policy changes from their Republican counterparts. The debates surrounding the debt ceiling and its potential impact on the government's ability to meet financial obligations resulted in a temporary government shutdown.

2011 was particularly nasty as it resulted in a Moody's downgrade.
I'm pretty sure Obama was a Democrat.
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And? It's Congress that does this tactic, not a president.

Regardless of the letter next to the president, the country lost a lot over the 2011 downgrade, which Democrat Congress was 100% responsible for.

Obama wasn't responsible because he wasn't a member of Congress. 

2023, it's the Republican Congress that's responsible for presenting a bill.

There's no reason to excuse shit behavior because of glasses of water with a D next to the name in 2011.
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Well stated.
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And? It's Congress that does this tactic, not a president.

Regardless of the letter next to the president, the country lost a lot over the 2011 downgrade, which Democrat Congress was 100% responsible for.

Obama wasn't responsible because he wasn't a member of Congress. 

2023, it's the Republican Congress that's responsible for presenting a bill.

There's no reason to excuse shit behavior because of glasses of water with a D next to the name in 2011.
"Now think back to the last time a Democratic Congress used the tactic against a Republican President, and then recognize that it has never happened, ever. "
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They didn't do it against the President, they did it against the Senate, same as what the Democrats did in 2011.

Who is in control of the Senate right now? If Trump was president right now, nothing would be different from an obvious repeat of 2011.

Honestly, if the Repugs end up doing the same shit the Demofucks did in 2011 with the Moody's downgrade, it would just be business as usual.

Keep believing it matters who you vote for though, it's hella cute.
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    Это очень мило. 
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