Why is gasoline $3 higher in California than Mississippi? Because California is smart

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“The proposed rules would establish a credit system for automakers supplying California car dealerships and take effect in 2026. In that year, 35% of all new cars an auto manufacturer sells to California dealerships would need to be either zero-emission, plug-in hybrid or hydrogen-powered vehicles. That would increase to 68% in 2030 and 100% by 2035”

While Mississippi continues to live in the past, making buggy whips for their horse drawn carriages, California is preparing for the future. A future that must come because oil supplies can’t last forever and burning fossil fuels is causing global warming and harmful to the environment.

So California will lead and make the sometimes painful transition to clean energy while Mississippi continues with the old ways. It’s only proper. When has Mississippi ever led on anything? Women’s rights? No. Slavery? No. Technology? No. Education? No.

California has the money and the numbers in population to lead on necessary change. The rest of the country will follow, no doubt kicking and screaming all the way.
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California could have prepared for the transition better, by buying and operating refineries that have been shuttered by companies wary of spending money on yesterday’s technology that will eventually be obsolete. Of course that would have resulted in cries of socialism by the MAGA Morons, similar to what happened with Obamacare.

But people like Obamacare, just like they like Social Security, Medicare, and FDIC insured banks. California may still need to step in and support refining capacity in the short term, as companies balk at maintaining facilities that will see decreasing demand for what they produce over the next few decades.

Eventually, gas pumps will go the way of the phone booth. 

California holds the distinction as the only state that can regulate cars, because of a provision in the Clean Air Act that allows it to seek a waiver from federal rules. Other states can follow California’s more stringent standards, including the zero-emission targets that will be voted on this week.


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There's nothing "clean" about electricity production in California.

More than half of California's electric grid relies on fossil fuels producing 2080 lbs of CO2 emission per 1000 kWh from coal, and for natural gas, 1170 lbs of CO2 emission per 1000 kWh. 

Prices are high because taxes are high. California promises to save the planet with these taxes, but it's just a scam to get money, like most corporate grifters. The planet isn't going anywhere, but your bank account is.
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Prices are high because taxes are high. 
Absolutely false.

The state sales tax on gasoline is 2.25%

The state excise tax on gasoline is 58 cents per gallon. This is public information and posted on every gas pump in the state.

Those 2 things do NOT add up to $3.

California promises to save the planet with these taxes, but it's just a scam to get money, like most corporate grifters. The planet isn't going anywhere, but your bank account is.
Spoken like someone who has know idea what he’s talking about. One of the Clueless masses.



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There's nothing "clean" about electricity production in California.
Cleaner. Cleaner 

Just producing gasoline by the process of refining pollutes the air. 

Refineries have several units that emit CO2, including steam methane reformers that produce hydrogen, catalytic crackers, and Combined Heat and Power (CHP) units. The emissions of an individual refinery depend on a number of factors, such as the configuration of the refinery, type of fuel used, and crudes processed.Feb 23, 2021

Electricity is made by burning natural gas in California. We don’t burn much coal.(<3%) Making electricity is less carbon intensive than making and burning gasoline.

Why don’t you know this?

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More than half of California's electric grid relies on fossil fuels
Wrong again


California energy comes from multiple sources

10% natural gas

9% coal (most power imported from outside the state)

67% renewables like wind and solar

18% hydro electric 

10% nuclear 

These numbers will vary year by year. For example, hydro power varies with rainfall 
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Total Non-Renewables and Unspecified Energy
127,248
66.65%

(per your posted source)

also, 9% of imported electricity is from coal...ewwwwww
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also, 9% of imported electricity is from coal...ewwwwww
Right, meaning not produced in California 

Total Non-Renewables and Unspecified Energy
127,248 66.65%
Nearly Half of that category is large hydro and nuclear which is not carbon.

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Here is a comprehensive answer as to why Arizona gas is 2 dollars cheaper at California's border.
Certainly high CA taxes are a big part of the difference. But another big part is the unique refinement requirements of the Golden State, a cost that passes through to the buyers. CA has a great many regulations on expensive fuel additives that gets passed onto the consumer. Another difference that has been largely ignored is that CA has NOT benefited from the fracking revolution. Most states buy inexpensive local U.S.-developed petroleum products. But CA has for decades all but banned drilling, even though CA has oil reserves that rival the vast oil reserves of Texas.

Also CA won’t let pipelines be built to bring in gasoline from other states. The result is that California refineries buy most of their oil from foreign nations, including Saudi Arabia. Again, consumers pay for the trans-pacific transport costs a pipeline could have saved.

Since the Biden blunder that severed ties with the Crown Prince over stupid name calling, CA is suffering a severe shortage in the supplies of crude oil. Iraq and Brazil are the next 2 suppliers, and Biden just recently pissed all over Brazil's president, so that just leaves the US colony Iraq as a steady source for California.
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Certainly high CA taxes are a big part of the difference.
No, it’s not. California has a 58 cent excise tax. Arizona has an 18 cent tax. That’s 40 cent difference.

But another big part is the unique refinement requirements of the Golden State,
Right, because we like clean air and u like rural areas, there are a lot of cars in California 

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Right, meaning not produced in California 
Doesn't matter. That electricity would not be produced if Californians did not buy it. So California is directly responsible for the emissions produced from the 9% of imported coal energy. Fun fact is, Californians talk a good game about being clean, but they have no problem getting their hands dirty with imported sources. NIMBY is only skin deep, just like most vainglorious Californians.
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That electricity would not be produced if Californians did not buy it
We don’t always buy it. The number varies from year to year. As we bring in more renewable sources or it rains more, we will use less power from other states.
Let the other states poison their residents. They are the dummies 

Californians talk a good game
Wrong again. California plays a good game and we lead the knuckleheads who are stuck in the old ways.

Also CA won’t let pipelines be built to bring in gasoline from other states.
That is not a viable solution. Gas from far away is expensive to transport, by truck or by pipeline. Refining capacity is concentrated in certain parts of the country not close to California such as the Gulf Coast
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Well according to your source, California imports 55k GW out of the 183 GW consumed....that's near 1/3 of imported dirty energy...

And 10 percent nuclear is so laughable for a state that boasts such high-tech advances. As a former navy nuclear mechanic, that's just unconceivable.
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And 10 percent nuclear is so laughable for a state that boasts such high-tech advances.
Nobody wants nuclear because the waste is impossible to dispose of

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because the waste is impossible to dispose of
Lol, seems like corporate energy propaganda is still highly effective after 50 years of the same song and dance.

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Well according to your source, California imports 55k GW out of the 183 GW produces....that's near 1/3 of imported dirty energy
If you could communicate effectively and read and comprehend, you would understand that most of the “dirty energy” California produces is either hydro power or nuclear. It’s not really dirty, is it?

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Lol, seems like corporate energy propaganda is still highly effective after 50 years of the same song and dance.
Lol, we closed our San Onofre nuclear plant years ago and we still can’t find a place for the spent rods.


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People leaving California will definitely lessen the state’s carbon footprint.
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The big problem with combatting climate change and poverty is that they too often have conflicting solutions. As Thomas Sowell said, “There are no solutions, just trade offs.”

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People leaving California will definitely lessen the state’s carbon footprint.
Right, all the losers who can’t earn and afford to live here. We are better off without them. We need adults.

The big problem with combatting climate change and poverty is that they too often have conflicting solutions.
Right, that’s why we can’t expect Mississippi to lead on the transition away from fossil fuels. They probably had the last horse and buggy dealerships too.

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“There are no solutions, just trade offs.”
Nuclear power was always the viable energy solution. It's a shame corporate fossil energy companies sabotaged it in the 70's.

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Since the Biden blunder that severed ties with the Crown Prince over stupid name calling,
Name calling? What name did he call the Crown Prince? Please elaborate or are you lying again? I think you are lying as usual.

Name calling is something Trump would do like when he called the leader of North Korea short and fat. (ironic since Trump is the most obese President we have had since WWII)


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Right, all the losers who can’t earn and afford to live here. We are better off without them. We need adults.
And more tents, evidently

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Name calling? What name did he call the Crown Prince?

Of course, after that was the fist bump heard round the world as Saudi quietly turned the spigot off while also demanding that Jared Kushner be rewarded for opposing Biden....
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Senate Bill 100 (2018) requires 100 percent of California’s electric retail sales be supplied by renewable and zero-carbon energy sources by 2045. To keep the state on track, last year Governor Gavin Newsom signed SB 1020, establishing interim targets of 90 percent clean electricity by 2035 and 95 percent by 2040.

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2045.
You know how political promises go.... You and I probably won't be around to blame the person for this broken promise by that year.
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Of course, after that was the fist bump heard round the world 
As usual you’ve got nothing. A total strawman response (since you clowns love that word) 

No name calling was done by Biden. You lied

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And more tents, evidently
They have tents in Mississippi. Go live there. You can carry a gun everywhere you go too. 

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while also demanding that Jared Kushner be rewarded for opposing Biden....
The Saudis want people who have no morals and can be bought. That’s why they get along with Republicans and Libertarians 

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You’re pretty in tents.