Instigator / Pro
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1614
rating
17
debates
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Topic
#1101

Will more socialization benefit society?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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6
Better sources
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4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
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2

After 2 votes and with 12 points ahead, the winner is...

Wylted
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1387
rating
34
debates
22.06%
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Description

Pro: Benefit

Con: Harmful

Due to the nature of this topic, I do not have to prove why anything is moral, You have to prove to me why it is immoral. I will be providing a few reasons why more socialization would be moral however the BoP rests mostly on pro. However, before we begin I would like to define Socialism and the Redistribution of wealth.

Socialism: A state at which they redistribute wealth which is used for the collective good.

Redistribution of Wealth: Redistribution of income and redistribution of wealth are respectively the transfer of income and of wealth (including physical property) from some individuals to others by means of a social mechanism.

Tiwaz is banned from participating in this debate due to him continually pulling red herrings, dodging questions and points, and attempting to character assassinate several people.

If he accepts he completely forfeits the debate.

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@Barney

Aright sounds good.

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@Wylted

I will probably voting on this. Just bare in mind there's a massively different time investment involved in little things that that or FF votes, and properly weighting a debate like this one.

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@oromagi

Did I tag you in this yet?

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@Speedrace

Do you mind voting on this?, Warren forget my other debate can you vote on this one instead. so far 2 votebombs in opposite directions and no honest analysis

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@Barney

You took all that time to analyze his votes, can you vote on this debat. So far it has 2 vote bombs that will likely get removed and no honest analysis

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@TheRealNihilist

I'm sure that is meant as a vote bomb but I talked to the vote mods and they are removing the bomb. You should vote honestly

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@David

Omar's vote is based on his own arguments against my positions and not onanything mentioned in the debate, For example the reference the voter made to hong kong did not occurr in the debate, the length of the vote should not be considered when judging whether he weighed both sides and judged in a tabula Rasa style

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@TheRealNihilist

This is obviously an incorrect vote please do not decide a winner until you have weighed the arguments and don't vote based on how well you like each contestant.

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@TheRealNihilist

1. I consider myself bisexual favoring the gay side. I don't know honestly I am a bit confused, my sexual preferences for women has been steadily going down and in a few years, it'll probably be nonexistent.

2. I believe head is overrated quite frankly, I've been on both sides and didn't enjoy it.

3. Depends on the day, it's like with women and positions some days you may want one position, other days you may like another.

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@Pinkfreud08

Oh, he seems ok, just he has like a trillion debates with Alec on the same topic

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@Pinkfreud08

Your gay or bisexual?

Do you give head or receive it?

Do you get f*cked in the ass or do you do the f*cking?

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@Dr.Franklin

I mean he isn't a troll obviously but his profile definitely does look trollish.

Upon further research, I found his DDO account in which he has pretty impressive stats.

But yeah I was definitely confused and I apologized.

I also feel bad that he battles depression which is a condition my boyfriend's mom suffers from.

"- Looks at their profile -

Great a troll who's lost 14 debates, doesn't take debates seriously and believes the world is flat..."

Lol, I laughed

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@Barney

That is trash. bsh1 is pretty much saying even if you want a serious rap battle you can't.

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@TheRealNihilist

Yes. This rule was solidified by a MEEP awhile back.

On a moderated debate, the vote which was countered would have been insufficient anyway.

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@Barney

So a rap battle the instigator stated has rules for is still a troll debate?

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@TheRealNihilist

No.

Unrated is just unrated, as in no effect to debater scores. You're currently #9 on the leader-boards, you could win or lose 100 unrated debates, but remain in the same spot.

Moderation is determined by the type of debate, in particular regards to the resolution. Debates are moderated unless they fall into the wide umbrella of Troll Debates (of which actual troll debates sometimes do not qualify as troll debates...).

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@Barney

Rated = moderated
Unrated = not moderated

Right?

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@TheRealNihilist

Did you miss the part where those debates are not moderated? The lack of any damage done by voting ties? Or the lack of any relevance towards the shit vote in question on this debate?

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@Barney

He had rules in the description of 2 and another no rules. Only 1 was allowed to pretty much be not moderated. The other 2 had rules. These are also rated votes so it does matter more about the votes.

Quick review of the votes complained about in the vote...

First of all, 'battles' are considered troll debates, thus not moderated.

Second, even were it real debates, it would not excuse the vote bomb in question.

https://www.debateart.com/debates/1049/vote_links/2721
Just a counter vote bomb. Complaining of this one, makes no zero sense unless the vote bomb countered was from a personal friend or alt account.

https://www.debateart.com/debates/1113/vote_links/2725
A tied vote. I can agree that it is childish, but it's a no harm done situation.

https://www.debateart.com/debates/1120/vote_links/2711
A tied vote... And better, King_8's friend or alt account voted in King_8's favor as a counter to it (So good at math! No one's better at math!).

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@King_8

When looking at your other votes on those debates. None of them actually meet the criteria you set out. My advice report them all.

6. Instead of explaining the rules to me, why don't you go read the rules your damn self because obviously your votes do not go along with the rules of this site.

1. For every action there's a reaction. You do some lame shit to somebody so expect something to happen in return. Damn right I took matter into my own hands. I put you in your place and I decided to get the mods involved since you want to cry and play victim claiming I'll get banned pretending as if you never started any of this. I wouldn't want your manipulative behavior to fool the mods.

2. I'll take you down = I'm putting an end to your foolishness whether I have to talk bad to you, or you getting reported/banned, things of that nature.

3. Obviously I'm Kvng from DDO, finally took you this long to figure it out? Congratulations. I never screamed on top of a building that I'm hyper intelligent and I'm the best genius ever. You're pushing that agenda. Like I said, perhaps some of my debates may have driven you to those thoughts. One of the worst debaters? Nice reach. You're that mad that you're being clouded by delusion? I've won plenty of debates, not from bias votes, forfeits, not from stupid counter votes or shitty votes. There are even debates that didn't get any votes that I obviously won. Backwardseden would be the perfect example of a person who is one of the worst debaters.

4. Bringing up Omar now we? Irrelevant. I shall not address lies.

5. "so far you've been making up childish insults like " Mrs pink" You're crying about that? The childish person would be the one who started all of this. I didn't just say these comments to you for no reason. Maybe if you voted properly instead of giving me bullshit and troll votes because you have a grudge against me, then we wouldn't be having this problem. So yes, I'm calling you Ms. Pink. There's a lot more WORSE names that I could call you, so be happy for that. Talk about "misrepresented rules of the site" your votes on three of my debates does not align with the code of conduct in any way, shape or form. If you aren't the biggest hypocrite then I don't know who is.

Also, I find it funny how you're acting as if

" oh I'll just turn to the mods and not feed you "

when very obviously you've taken matters into your own hands and just thrown out unfunny and childish insults.

Alright well I got this notion from you since you're talking about how you'll savagely take me down.

It's very obvious you think you're some hyper-intelligent genius and the fact you assume that's where I got this notion from proves it even further.

Assuming you're Kvng from debate.org, you're far from hyper-intelligent in fact you're arguably one of the worst debaters currently on the site.

The fact you tried to impersonate and take down Omar and failed on a broken platform with no mods disproves your preconceived notions about yourself.

Also, I mean who's the one being more childish here, so far you've been making up childish insults like " Mrs pink " ( which isn't even that funny ) and overall misrepresented the rules of the site.

I mean I could explain the rules to you however since you've already demonstrated to me you're incompetent and have no real argument and just lash out insults, I'd be wasting my time.

@Pinkfreud

Who cares. Think whatever you want Ms. Pink. Like I said I'm not gonna continue going back and forth with you. This shit's dead. I will let the mods handle this as I have messaged them about the situation. I'm no longer dealing with your negative energy. You don't need to be "scared" of me, but like I said if you keep it up with the childish and problematic votes, this same thing will happen only it will be ten times worse. At this point, I will seek a positive resolution that's why I turned to the mods so there can be an understanding because I'm sick of arguing back and forth with stupid people on this website. I never said that I'm an intelligent genius but for you to come to such an assumption leads me to believe that you must have been inspired by some of my debates not only on here, but debate.org as well. Thanks!

I just find it funny that King_8 has this ego complex where he believes I am scared of him or he is some intelligent genius, both are laughable assertions at best and very narcissistic behavior at worse.

King_8 if you are reading this, I am not scared of you on a physical or mental level and I personally believe you suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect if you believe this to be the case.

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@Wylted

Why would I be pissed off if King_8 voted on it fairly?

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@Wylted

I can't edit or delete my vote now. F*ck it. If I get voting privileges banned, then oh well.

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@Wylted

@Pinkfreud

It's all good. Putting an end to all of this. I'm done going back and forth. Moving forward, Pinkfreud08 will not, repeat will not be allowed to vote on any debates regardless if I am the instigator or contender under any circumstances. If he decides to do so and put stupid, trollish, problematic votes then my reaction will be ten times worse. Everything I've said up to this point is peaches and cream compared to how I really am. Either you will vote on my debates sufficiently that goes with the Code of Conduct, or if you decide not to do so then don't vote on my debates at all, because I'll talk savage to you and shut this all down. I'm the wrong one.

I will be messaging the mods to seek a resolution.

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@King_8

Just place a fair vote on this debate and remove your bombs. It will still piss him off if the debate is voted on fairly.

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@King_8

Your voting privileges should be banned. We don't need vigilante justice here. Just report his through the normal means and the mods will remove them. I think rap debates are unmoderated so that may be a problem, but vigilante justice is wrong in this instance

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@Wylted

His tied vote was still bullshit. He did all of those just because he has some imaginary problem with me. I will be messaging all of the mods because what's not gonna happen is people pointing the finger at me as if I'm crazy and Pinkfreud playing the victim. The proof is in the pudding. I'd be damned if I get banned over this. I'm unsure if what he said was a bluff about me getting banned, but I shouldn't even get banned. He should get banned because he started all of this.

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@Pinkfreud08

Your counter vote on the rap debate should be removed. Counter votes are ignorant. Let the mods dispense justice, do not be a vigilante. If you want to help with justice, be honest and place an honest vote for the legitimate winner, but do not counter vote.

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@King_8

I don't support anything, but I don't want people to start getting justice on his behalf by brigading over to this debate. I only looked at one of those votes, but the vote gave points to neither side, so the vote looked harmless, but yes they should be removed based on the site rules even if they do not award points

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@Wylted

@Pinkfreud

Vast amount of vote bombs? Lmfao YOU DID THE SAME EXACT THING TO ME THOUGH. So I'm doing it right back at you. If I supposedly get banned, then you should get banned for the same thing you've done to me. I provided proof with those three links, just as you used bullshit votes on my THREE debates, I used bullshit votes on your THREE debates. I don't understand people. They do disrespectful things to other people and when the act is reciprocated onto them, they play the victim and they play innocent as if they haven't done that same act INITIALLY to that person. If you delete your votes off of my debates, I will delete my votes off of yours. You can't have your cake and eat it too. And I wouldn't call "Bite my shiny metal ass" and "Counter voting" someone criticism. I call that being problematic, ignorant, and a stupid ass bitch who has no life.

@Wylted

If you're going to report my vote, report his vote as well. He started all of this. Obviously you're supporting him when you know he's wrong.

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@Pinkfreud08

The debate is over. During the debate I am just an actor. It is like asking Heath Ledger when the Joker's birthday is. He doesn't know and he doesn't care once he is done with the role. If you want to ask about my strategy here, I can discuss it in PM out of the view of judges, and maybe you will learn something

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@Wylted

Just ignore the obvious attempt to offend me, King_8 just has no substance and just lashes out insults and gets angry when people criticize him.

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@Pinkfreud08

I reported the vote. It should get removed, but you can bite his shiny metal ass for the time being

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@Wylted

I mean if you're going to just be a brick wall and not address anything than ok then.

King, I hope you understand you'll probably get banned due to the vast amount of Vote bombs you've spammed onto my account.

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@David
@Barney
@Raltar
@Mharman

Votes please. $1 for every vote placed, just need your paypal account numbers

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@Ramshutu

Did you seriously just vote on a full forfeit whose winner had already secured the win instead of this debate? Get your shit together.

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@Patmos

You judge a lot of debates, can you judge this one or refer me to other active voters on this site who can?

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@oromagi

Care to vote on this shit. A fair and accurate vote would be appreciated

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@Pinkfreud08

Most judges do not count arguments in the final rounds, none really should. I have judged hundreds of debates and have never allowed new arguments in the final round. Any judge who does needs to learn more about how to judge a debate before attempting to do. Ask any competent experienced debater on the site and they will tell you the exact same thing. It is a fact.

I don't care about your criticisms of my arguments, because none of it is constructive. You should care about my criticisms of yours though, because I am decently skilled at debate. Most of my criticisms will honestly not be said until after judging is over in case judges read the comments. I do not wish to bias them, and the criticisms will only be upon request, though any decent judge will likely offer the same advice as I would with the exception of the unorthodox points that make my personality and style unique

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@Wylted

Posting new arguments at the final round isn't poor conduct considering you had yourself another round to respond, I never agreed to the format you cited at the beginning of the round.

I tried to explain to you that you can't change the terms in the middle of the debate if you ignored this then this is your fault.

As far as your criticisms for not bringing up other parts of socialization, you gave me no choice.

I asked if it was ok to extend the character limit and you said no.

How was I supposed to add more parts when we were already cutting it close as is?

That was with like 30 minutes remaining. Like a true pro

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@Wylted

Aright yeah sure, you do you buddy