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I, as the declarer of the present debate, state that I will debate for the perspective in which the Biblical God is not omnipotent; You, as the contender of said debate, will argue for the perspective in which the Biblical God is omnipotent. Any trolling activity is discouraged and will result in removal within the site.

The requirement of the opposite side: must understand the basics of the Christian religion, must believe that God is omnipotent, and must believe in the reality of God. I, the starter of the debate, discourage any beings within this website using a technique "devil's advocate" or its likes in which he/she argues in a perspective that he/she does not believe unless he/she has grasped the knowledge of Christianity in similar degrees of a Christian, and can substitute for one in this online debate platform.

Round I is for opening arguments, and no refutations shall be made.

Round V is for ending arguments, and no refutations should be made either. The commenting section does the job and both users can inquire, rebuttal and introduce new ideas at any time, even after the debate has ended. Hate speech and other languages of its like are discouraged and will result in a report. No language other than the English language shall be used.

Round 1
Con
God omnipotence debate round 1:
Let me just give an example. This example is not to be refuted until I bring it up again in the debating section.
1. Suppose God can do everything.
2. "Do nothing" makes sense.
3. Since God can do everything, he can also "do nothing".
4. "do nothing" conflicts with God's capability of doing everything, so he cannot do "everything", consider he cannot “do nothing”. 
5. If God somehow has a way of doing everything, something and nothing at the same time, humanity should be able to comprehend it. The very fact humanity can't generate such a solution is god's imperfection. 
6. If God is omnipotent, then he would be able to at least prove it. So far I started the question and had not received the response, so this means at least one of the two: God cannot prove it to me;
7. Or, God cannot transmit thoughts quickly enough that I will know. Either way, God is not omnipotent.
8. This is minus if God doesn't even exist. We are talking IF in the present environment God exists. If God never existed, then an unproven nonexistent subject would obviously not be omnipotent. Reality is reality.

Pro
Pro's First Argument.
Note:  Sources are inline clickable links next to their statement.

First of all, I want to thank my opponent for this debate.  I look forward to a fair and respectful exchange of ideas and may the better-argued side win.

In order to proceed further and in the interest of clarity, I wish to lay down some definitions.

  1. Omnipotent
    1. Definition:  (of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
    2. Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/omnipotent
  2. Almighty
    1. Definition: Having complete power; omnipotent.
    2. Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/almighty
    3. Note:  Almighty is synonymous with Omnipotent.
  3. Sovereignty
    1. Definition: Supreme power or authority.
    2. Source: https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sovereignty
    3. Note:  This term may come up in the debate so just want to clarify it here.
Please Note: I did not elaborate on the terms, God and the Bible since I am assuming there is no confusion between me and my opponent on their meanings.  If confusion comes up during the debate I reserve the right to address these terms for further clarification.

My goal in this first argument is to simply state my side of the debate which is, "Resolved:  The God of the Bible is Omnipotent" and why I believe it to be true.  It is this resolution I plan on successfully arguing using proof from the Bible.  My opponent will attempt to prove that the God of the Bible is not omnipotent, hopefully using the Bible also since that is what we agreed to in the comments.

I should win this debate if I can...
Prove irrefutably from the Bible that God is omnipotent   I will do this in 2 main ways.

1.  Present Bible verses that prove the omnipotence of God.
2.  Successfully counter my opponent's arguments that allegedly disprove the omnipotence of God.

I yield the floor...
Round 2
Con

That article, along with my 1st round argument, disproves that ANY god wouldn't be omnipotent.

Although this: 
  1. "Y is absolutely omnipotent" means that "Y" can do anything that can be expressed in a string of words even if it is self-contradictory: "Y" is not bound by the laws of logic."[6]
Prove, how would that happen? Then, prove why God gives me not the answer of that? Why would God choose to not to answer this? He is not, he can't answer, or he can't answer me as good as possible? or not as fast? or choose to not answer this? Either way, God is not omnipotent. I probably stated this last argument, but because I am in bed using Computer in a time in a time I am not supposed to use, I don't mind but to keep going here. I am not omnipotent.

Bible citations:
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Suppose God is omnipotent, but he can't even force out the people because they just have metallic chariot?

“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
God cannot bring people back, even Jesus. So he can't disobey fate? God is not omnipotent. Jesus will be bad? change him good. There is a reason to do everything. If you are omnipotent, there is a reason to do anything. If he is not flawed, he would use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't" consider he can do it if he is omnipotent. 

How, and why do you know God is omnipotent? How did he tell you? If he didn't, you will still know what reason he does it? Give me reason. Give me reason that we suffer. Give me reason that Innocent children die. I can use all the reasons common atheists use, but even then, a god that is not perfectly omnipotent can rationally exist. Give me examples for all these points above. Now it is your turn to place fruit on the platter. I want to see how you will do against all my arguments.
Pro
Pro's Second Argument

I would like to thank Con for their speedy response, I'm moving as quickly as I can given my work demands (Yes, I am still working during these crazy times).

Rebuttal


That article, along with my 1st round argument, disproves that ANY god wouldn't be omnipotent.
  • ANY God
    • We're not arguing about "ANY god," according to the debate resolution we're arguing about the "God of the Bible."  I think it would be helpful if we focus on Him, so there's no confusion.
  • "along with my 1st round argument,"
    • My opponent asked that I wait till they bring up their Round 1 argument statements before I refute.  My opponent's statement "...along with my 1st round argument..." leaves me with nothing specific to rebut.  I would ask my opponent to be more pointed in their request.
Although this: 
  1. "Y is absolutely omnipotent" means that "Y" can do anything that can be expressed in a string of words even if it is self-contradictory: "Y" is not bound by the laws of logic."[6]
Prove, how would that happen? Then, prove why God gives me not the answer of that? Why would God choose to not to answer this? He is not, he can't answer, or he can't answer me as good as possible? or not as fast? or choose to not answer this? Either way, God is not omnipotent. I probably stated this last argument, but because I am in bed using Computer in a time in a time I am not supposed to use, I don't mind but to keep going here. I am not omnipotent.
I'll be honest, I don't understand exactly what my opponent is asking me here?  "Some of the sentences don't seem to make sense? 
  • "Although this" 
    • - Although what?
  • Then prove why God gives me not the answer of that?" 
    • -I apologize, I don't understand the question.
  • "Why would God choose to not to answer this? He is not, he can't answer, or he can't answer me as good as possible? or not as fast? or choose to not answer this?" 
    • -Answer what?  I'm sorry I just don't know what my opponent is asking here.
At any rate, I'm assuming they are bringing up a "laws of logic argument" against the omnipotence of God?  I would appreciate it if in their next argument my opponent could be more clear as to what they are asking.

I the meantime I will answer the quoted text...
  • "Y is not bound by the laws of logic."
    • -If Y represents God than I would agree with that statement, but with a caveat and that would be, define, "laws of logic."

Bible citations:
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Suppose God is omnipotent, but he can't even force out the people because they just have metallic chariot?
I would ask my opponent if they would in the future state what translation of the Bible they are quoting.  This would be helpful in rebutting their arguments.
The translation of Judges 1:19 is critical here.  My goto translation is the New International Version (NIV), so that is what I will use...

  • Judges 1:19, "The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron." (NIV)


“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
God cannot bring people back, even Jesus. So he can't disobey fate? God is not omnipotent. Jesus will be bad? change him good. There is a reason to do everything. If you are omnipotent, there is a reason to do anything. If he is not flawed, he would use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't" consider he can do it if he is omnipotent. 
I would like to answer this contention in three parts...
  • Job 19:26, "And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;" (NIV)
    • Explanation:  Clearly Job here believes in a bodily resurrection to immortality, so then is there a contradiction between Job 19:26 and Job 7:9?  Not at all, please read below.
    • Source: https://biblehub.com/job/19-26.htm
  • Job 7:8-10, "8. The eye that now sees me will see me no longer; you will look for me, but I will be no more. 9. As a cloud vanishes and is gone, so one who goes down to the grave does not return. 10. He will never come to his house again; his place will know him no more." (NIV)
    • Explanation:  If you look at the passage in context, you'll notice that verse 10 says "He will never come to his house again." So when verse 7 says,  "does not return, it's not talking about the resurrection to an immortal body to glorification, but rather returning to his house - his circumstance before death." 
    • Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+7%3A8-10&version=NIV
  • Stated Questions
    • "God cannot bring people back, even Jesus." 
      • -He can, He did, and He will.  See verse Job 19:26 above.  I think I explained this well.
    • "So he can't disobey fate?"
      • - Don't understand. 
    • "Jesus will be bad? change him good."
      • -What?  Don't understand.
    • "There is a reason to do everything. If you are omnipotent, there is a reason to do anything."
      • -To my opponent, if you could ask this question in a more understandable manner, I would be happy to answer.
    • "If he is not flawed, he would use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't" consider he can do it if he is omnipotent."
      • Respectfully, to my opponent, if you would rephrase this question in a more pointed understandable manner, than I would be happy to answer.

How, and why do you know God is omnipotent?
The Bible says so, see below.

How did he tell you? If he didn't, you will still know what reason he does it?
Yes, He told me (not verbally), through reading His Word, the Bible.  See below

Give me reason. Give me reason that we suffer. Give me reason that Innocent children die. I can use all the reasons common atheists use, but even then, a god that is not perfectly omnipotent can rationally exist. Give me examples for all these points above. Now it is your turn to place fruit on the platter. I want to see how you will do against all my arguments.
I'll be happy to address the first 2 questions from the Bible.
  • "Give me a reason that we suffer"
    • Not sure what kind of suffering you are talking about.  If you could provide me with an example of what suffering you are referring to I would gladly answer.  If you are talking about suffering in the overarching general sense of all of creation, then I would direct you to Genesis 3:17
    • Genesis 3:17, "To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life." (NIV)
    • Explanation: When Sin enter Creation that is when suffering entered.  It is also when Death entered.
    • Source: https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-17.htm
  • "Give me reason that Innocent children die."
    • Simply stated because they are mortal beings and all mortal beings die once.
    • Hebrews 9:27, "Just as people are destined to die once..." (NIV)
    • Source: https://biblehub.com/hebrews/9-27.htm
  • Note: Neither of these two questions disprove the Omnipotence of God, they prove that Sin has consequences.

-okay my turn to "put fruit on the platter." :-)
My Round 2 Arguments

This will be brief.  My obligation in this debate is to prove that the God of the Bible is Omnipotent.  And since My Opponent and I agreed to use the Bible as a proof text, that is what I'm using.

Future arguments I will bring up more ways God displays His Omnipotence, but In my 2nd argument I just want to focus on the first two ways God displays His Omnipotence:  His Creation and His Miracles. 

  1. His Creation
    1. Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (NIV)
      1. In the beginning...God - God existed before all.
      2. created the heavens and the earth - God created it all.
      3. Source:  https://biblehub.com/genesis/1-1.htm
    2. Psalm 33:6, "By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth." (NIV)
      1. By the word of the LORD - God only had to speak creation into existence
      2. Source: https://biblehub.com/psalms/33-6.htm
  2. His Miracles
    1. Exodus 14:21, "Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided," (NIV)
      1. The Seas and Winds obey God.
      2. Source: https://biblehub.com/exodus/14-21.htm
    2. Joshua 10:13a, "So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped," (NIV)
      1. The Sun and the Moon obey God.
      2. Source: https://biblehub.com/joshua/10-13.htm
    3. 1 Kings 17:22, "The LORD heard Elijah's cry, and the boy's life returned to him, and he lived." (NIV)
      1. God has power over Life and Death
      2. Source: https://biblehub.com/1_kings/17-22.htm

Final Comments

Over to my worthy opponent.  The fruit is on your platter!

Round 3
Con
I am simply out of time, so I will do a brief one. Maybe it is not brief, but whatever, unquestioned answers. 

 ANY God
    • We're not arguing about "ANY god," according to the debate resolution we're arguing about the "God of the Bible."  I think it would be helpful if we focus on Him, so there's no confusion.
Any god counts all the defined god, real or not. Christian god counts towards "any god". An argument that proves Any god will, of course, prove the Christian God, vice versa.

  • "Y is not bound by the laws of logic."
    • -If Y represents God than I would agree with that statement, but with a caveat and that would be, define, "laws of logic."
What you can think of? Suppose, How could God create a rock he can't lift(if he can lift it, the rock is not unliftable; if he can't, then he cannot create such a rock, so either way he is not omnipotent) and in a binary universe(in which he either did it or didn't)?
Suppose, he can, then Why don't I know it? This is the 3rd time in a row I am saying this. Not like I am tired or not.
Suppose I don't get the answer, then I will use the argument itself(God cannot give me the answer), I will rebel against God: What he doesn't want? So to prevent this, God would either erase me, give me the answer, or make our human little brain mature and evolved enough to understand it. Yes. That is what God would do. Give me an explanation of why God would not.

Again, restate my first round: If God can do everything, he can also "do nothing". Can "do nothing" means he cannot do Everything. So either God cannot "do nothing" or he can't do anything.



That is the logical side that could disprove ANY god, which includes Christian God as well. Now let me argue in the prayers and the books of the Bible. 
Bible citations:
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Suppose God is omnipotent, but he can't even force out the people because they just have metallic chariot?
I would ask my opponent if they would in the future state what translation of the Bible they are quoting.  This would be helpful in rebutting their arguments.
The translation of Judges 1:19 is critical here.  My goto translation is the New International Version (NIV), so that is what I will use...

  • Judges 1:19, "The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron." (NIV)
~ So suppose every single person getting God's wisdom was the most favorable possibility of God's, and he tried to do so, then why are there multiple translations? Why doesn't God make translations for every single language on earth to make it more convenient? Isn't that what God wanted? Also, God would not need multiple translations, consider he can write everything himself, and update it and answer it when necessary.


“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
God cannot bring people back, even Jesus. So he can't disobey fate? God is not omnipotent. Jesus will be bad? change him good. There is a reason to do everything. If you are omnipotent, there is a reason to do anything. If he is not flawed, he would use "wouldn't" instead of "couldn't" consider he can do it if he is omnipotent. 
I would like to answer this contention in three parts...
  • Job 19:26, "And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;" (NIV)
    • Explanation:  Clearly Job here believes in a bodily resurrection to immortality, so then is there a contradiction between Job 19:26 and Job 7:9?  Not at all, please read below.
    • Source: https://biblehub.com/job/19-26.htm
~ That proves me as well. If God is in charge and there, he would at least tell me why I am wrong. Since he could do everything he would make sure I get the message(and I would if I did). If God doesn't bother, it is no need to create Christianity, as well. God would erase Atheism, Zoroastrianism, as well as all sufferings that didn't deserve to happen. God could easily erase war as well as the Coronavirus pandemic. God did not, which is no reason he is omnipotent, consider he SHOULD be able to erase them and end sufferings that have no positive impact on the earth. 

  • Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
  • Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus 19:27
  • Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Exodus 23:19
  • If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15 NLT
  • No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
  • Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same. Luke 3:11 NIV
  • Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place. Ephesians 5:4 NIV
Give me a reason these 7 quotes even exist. Against why can't I wear clothes of 2 different materials? It is a fashion and I love them. Against God could simply erase this quote, or respond to my inquiry. 

  • All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10
Seaweed, Seashells, abalones, they are all delicious, and all of them are as harmless as salmon and tuna. Give me a reason why this is correct.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
God kills for...reasons. tell me why.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT
God promotes slavery. This is outdated.

God would not write these things, these stupid and confusing rules, and things if he is omnipotent because he can plant the bible in our brain. Justify all these quotes.

Not that, but How do you know God is not lying? It may disprove my points, but also yours too.

Over to my worthy opponent.  The fruit is on your platter!
No. Before my submission, I NEED to put fruit on the platter. now it is your turn. Good luck to you!
Pro
Before I begin my 3rd Argument, I'd like to wish my worthy opponent a Happy Easter weekend!

Pro's 3rd Argument

Rebuttal

Let me first define the God of the Bible to avoid confusion, which I reserved the right to do from Argument 1.


Any god counts all the defined god, real or not. Christian god counts towards "any god". An argument that proves Any god will, of course, prove the Christian God, vice versa.

My opponent states that the "Christian god counts towards 'any god'."  The problem with that statement is 1).  My opponent and I agreed to debate the omnipotence of the "God of the Bible" as per the stated resolution, "The topic of whether God of the Bible is omnipotent or not" and 2). My opponent's use of the term "any gods" is incorrect because not all gods are considered omnipotent as is the case for Yahweh.  To prove my point I only need to show one other deity as not omnipotent.  See below...

  • The god Baal is not omnipotent 
    • 1 Kings 18:20-40
    • God defeats the prophets of Baal and shows that Baal is not omnipotent
    • Excerpt (NIV): "38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench. 39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The LORD—he is God! The LORD—he is God!”
    • Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+18%3A20-40&version=NIV

What you can think of? Suppose, How could God create a rock he can't lift(if he can lift it, the rock is not unliftable; if he can't, then he cannot create such a rock, so either way he is not omnipotent) and in a binary universe(in which he either did it or didn't)?
Suppose, he can, then Why don't I know it?
See my answer below.

This is the 3rd time in a row I am saying this. Not like I am tired or not.
Suppose I don't get the answer, then I will use the argument itself(God cannot give me the answer), I will rebel against God:
Maybe Yahweh doesn't want to give you the answer?  He's God you're not.  I elaborate on this below

What he doesn't want? So to prevent this, God would either erase me, give me the answer, or make our human little brain mature and evolved enough to understand it.
Yes. That is what God would do. Give me an explanation of why God would not.
You're not Yahweh so how can you make assumptions about what He would do or think.  I elaborate on this below.


Again, restate my first round: If God can do everything, he can also "do nothing". Can "do nothing" means he cannot do Everything. So either God cannot "do nothing" or he can't do anything.
Not sure I understand this question completely.  God can do nothing and he can do everything.  It's called His sovereignty.  There are times in History where Yahweh was silent, did nothing.  Other times He interjected Himself into History, for instance His Virgin Birth.  Ultimately though He is Yahweh God, sovereign and all powerful and can do what He wants when He wants and How He wants.  That's the privilege of Yahweh being God Almighty. 

At any rate, as my esteemed opponent you deserve a thoughtful and considerate answer from me for all your "logic questions."

Here's my answer...  I don't know the answer and neither do you. my opponent, only God knows the answers to seemingly difficult logic questions that fry the human finite minds of humanity.  Let me ask you. my opponent, some rhetorical questions (I don't expect them to be answered).

  1. How did God create the Heavens and The Earth out of nothing?  Genesis 1:1 
  2. Explain in detail how Yahweh created Light by just speaking it? Genesis 1:3
  3. How did the Holy Spirit Impregnate the Virgin Mary?  Matthew 1:18
  4. Describe how Jesus healed a blind man with mud? John 9:1-7
  • Obviously our Human minds can't fully comprehend the mind of Yahweh.  If we could then Yahweh would not be God.
    • Romans 11:33-36, "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!  How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! “Who has known the mind of the Lord?  Or who has been his counselor?” “Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?" For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen." (NIV)

~ That proves me as well. If God is in charge and there, he would at least tell me why I am wrong. Since he could do everything he would make sure I get the message(and I would if I did). If God doesn't bother, it is no need to create Christianity, as well. God would erase Atheism, Zoroastrianism, as well as all sufferings that didn't deserve to happen. God could easily erase war as well as the Coronavirus pandemic. God did not, which is no reason he is omnipotent, consider he SHOULD be able to erase them and end sufferings that have no positive impact on the earth. 
This deals with God's Sovereignty which I address below

  • Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19
  • Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus 19:27
  • Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Exodus 23:19
  • If a man has sex with an animal, he must be put to death, and the animal must be killed. Leviticus 20:15 NLT
  • No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall be admitted to the assembly of the LORD.
  • Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same. Luke 3:11 NIV
  • Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place. Ephesians 5:4 NIV
Give me a reason these 7 quotes even exist.
Because someone recorded them?

Against why can't I wear clothes of 2 different materials? It is a fashion and I love them.
You can wear them if you want.  This verse was written to Israelites in Old Testament times.  I assume you're a Gentile?  And of course you're not living in Old Testament times, so good news, you're off the hook.



Against God could simply erase this quote, or respond to my inquiry. 
He can respond to your inquiry if he wants or not.  It's totally up to the Almighty God of the Universe, Yahweh.

  • All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10
Seaweed, Seashells, abalones, they are all delicious, and all of them are as harmless as salmon and tuna. Give me a reason why this is correct.
Again this was written to the Jewish nation in Old Testament times.  So your good to go, enjoy!


Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
God kills for...reasons. tell me why.
This isn't a question about Yahweh's omnipotence.  If you want me to answer this then send me a debate invite about the Omniscience of God.


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT
God promotes slavery. This is outdated.
Again this isn't a question about God's omnipotence, This would probably fall under His Omniscience? I will however try to answer your question briefly.  Yahweh is not condoning slavery in this passage but rather that bond-servants who are Christians are to live their life as examples of Christ with the intention to 1) convert their masters as an act of love and 2). by living righteously, bring favor to themselves and possible freedom.  But again this is not a question of God's omnipotence, but rather Man's sinfulness.

God would not write these things, these stupid and confusing rules, and things if he is omnipotent because he can plant the bible in our brain. Justify all these quotes.

Not that, but How do you know God is not lying? It may disprove my points, but also yours too.
I have a 10,000 character limit and it would be impossible to answer all 20 questions on that sight.  Are there any specific one's you want an answer to?


Round 3 Arguments

...due to lack of room I'm only making one argument in this round.
  • Yahweh displays His Omnipotence through His Sovereignty
    • Let me repeat the definition of Soverignty from Round 1, "Supreme power or authority."  Basically this means that Yahweh can and will do whatever He wants to do for whatever reason He wants to do it.  He is God Almighty.
    • Verses that support God's Sovereignty 
      • Romans 9:20-21, "But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this? Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" (NIV) 
      • Isaiah 64:8, "Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand." (NIV)

Final Comments

Unfortunately I ran out of room.
Hopefully I'll have room in the next Round to finish my arguments.
Good night.

Round 4
Con
Sorry for not knowing that this debate existed for the past 2 days. Hopefully, I can still deliver a meaningful message that acts as an add-on to my previous ones in the past week.

My opponent states that the "Christian god counts towards 'any god'."  The problem with that statement is 1).  My opponent and I agreed to debate the omnipotence of the "God of the Bible" as per the stated resolution, "The topic of whether God of the Bible is omnipotent or not" and 2). My opponent's use of the term "any gods" is incorrect because not all gods are considered omnipotent as is the case for Yahweh.  To prove my point I only need to show one other deity as not omnipotent.  See below...
No, "ANY GOD" means any god, and I mean it. I did prove it, and unless Yhwh doesn't fall into the group of "any god", your argument of this might mean the people are exaggerating, consider if you teleport from Jerusalem to Rome and build a super-duper-efficient robot-arm, the people living in 99 AD will think you are omnipotent consider NO ONE EVER had done these things. God could either be a highly-advanced alien or he can even be our mind itself. Either way, using the Bible and only the Bible is not a reliable source consider I can just lie about myself saying I am God and make other moral rules and guides and inspirations, and people will still trust me, or not. If people trusted me, he can trust Yhwh. An autobiography series is not enough evidence considering he can easily lie and then cover it up saying "I don't lie". There may be evidence of a "god", "any god", but it is impossible to prove the specific existence of Yhwh, consider its figure has to fit a human-written book, the same kind condition equivalent to trusting Trump is a piglet because of someone tweeted so, as a slur, satire or pure rage. 

God defeats the prophets of Baal and shows that Baal is not omnipotent
I don't know who "Baal" is, but hey tell me, how can God both do everything and nothing at a binary timeline? It is impossible, and why don't I know. You failed to prove that God is truly omnipotent. Remember that without blind faith, the entire bible could be a joke or it could be a knowledge bait for the entire humanity. You never know, and you can't prove Yhwh without using a somewhat-unreliable source.


God can do nothing and he can do everything.  It's called His sovereignty.  There are times in History where Yahweh was silent, did nothing.
The times where Yhwh did nothing is called that he WOULDN'T do anything, not CAN'T. If he can do everything then he can't "do nothing". 

Maybe Yahweh doesn't want to give you the answer?  He's God you're not.  I elaborate on this below
What if Yhwh doesn't give me the answer? I will rebel against God that God is not omnipotent and God is a liar, resulting in religious failure. Isn't this what God NOT want? To answer me means to ensure the survival of religion, which is what he wants. If he didn't answer, then it would mean either he doesn't care about Christianity, or doesn't exist, meaning that:
1. God may not even exist
2. God cares not Religion, meaning the entire holy book is fake and unreliable, and because logic prevents God to be omnipotent, and God wouldn't answer meaning the bible is a hoax, and it is not reliable. God is not omnipotent.
And that is how. there is NO WAY that God would give me the answer because otherwise, I can simply steal the earth away from him from rational speakings. Yhwh could simply not let that happen by sending an answer in which I didn't receive. It could also mean that "God" is nonexistent in which a fictional being didn't do anything.




Round 3 Arguments

...due to lack of room I'm only making one argument in this round.
  • Yahweh displays His Omnipotence through His Sovereignty
    • Let me repeat the definition of Soverignty from Round 1, "Supreme power or authority."  Basically this means that Yahweh can and will do whatever He wants to do for whatever reason He wants to do it.  He is God Almighty.
    • Verses that support God's Sovereignty 
      • Romans 9:20-21, "But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this? Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?" (NIV) 
      • Isaiah 64:8, "Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand." (NIV)
Hahahahahahahahah... I meant not to be offensive but you need first to prove that the Bible is true. God needs no "power" over human just like we see no "power" in the rationalistic and atheistic law and order, we only see "power" in God. God is not law and order, and he should be, and it is the only way it is if he doesn't want rebels. Suppose one person smacks you in the butt once you do something wrong, and the other just changes the brain to make everything you do correctly. The former is Yhwh, unsurprisingly. The only reason God even wrote the bible is that he can't change our brains. He can certainly change our brains consider after the change, everything we do will be good. There is no need for a god to lecture us consider he can print all these words in our brain, which is much more efficient than to let full historians spend ages to write their words, and if so, God wouldn't let them write them. If God had no abilities to do that though, that is why we have the bible, and it is not imprinted in our brain. Logic is not a religion and we don't need to serve God consider he can fulfill every single drop he needs and wants. 

This isn't a question about Yahweh's omnipotence.  If you want me to answer this then send me a debate invite about the Omniscience of God.
Omnipotent= Do everything
Omniscience= Know everything
If he is omnipotent, he is also omniscient because he can tell everything to me, which is something to do. If God knows something but was unable to express it to me, then he is not omnipotent.

Against why can't I wear clothes of 2 different materials? It is a fashion and I love them.
You can wear them if you want.  This verse was written to Israelites in Old Testament times.  I assume you're a Gentile?  And of course you're not living in Old Testament times, so good news, you're off the hook.
God would update them to let us get the correct knowledge considering we matter to him. Or how about imprint in the brains?

Because someone recorded them?
Why would God let humans record HIS works when he can "poof" the entire bible in front of everyone's eyes?

Plus, answer my question regarding WHY ARE THERE DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS? God should be able to translate his words into every language.


Pro
Thanks again to my worthy opponent for taking the time to respond to my past arguments.  I know times are crazy right now.

Round 4 Rebuttal

Sorry for not knowing that this debate existed for the past 2 days.
Sorry to be a burden on you ;-)


Hopefully, I can still deliver a meaningful message that acts as an add-on to my previous ones in the past week.
I look forward to it!


No, "ANY GOD" means any god, and I mean it. I did prove it,...

I know I sound like a broken record, but, I expect the originator of this debate, my opponent, to honor their own resolution which states, "The topic of whether God of the Bible is omnipotent or not"

also

The description of the debate states, "I, as the declarer of the present debate, state that I will debate for the perspective in which the Biblical God is not omnipotent; "

And as I have proven in Round 3 (the section under the "god Baal"), "ANY GOD" cannot refer to all gods because not all gods are the same.  At any rate, I ask my opponent to honor their own debate resolution and debate description or else I appeal to the voters to consider, at the minimum, Conduct points should go to Pro for Con's refusal to honor debate agreements.


...God could either be a highly-advanced alien or he can even be our mind itself...
Are we talking now about "ANY GOD" or the Biblical God?


...Either way, using the Bible and only the Bible is not a reliable source...
What other source am I, as the Pro side, to use?  I am arguing for the Omnipotence of the Biblical God.  Biblical means Bible.  The Pro side would be expected to weigh heavily on the Biblical source.

I'd like to call out my opponent at this time.  It was my understanding that this debate was to be argued from the Bible.  I wasn't sure until my opponent stated the following in the comment section...

  • "Both sides assuming God exists. We argue from the Bible.
...which after reading I immediately agreed to and accepted the debate challenge.  Is my opponent now criticizing me for using a source that they themselves proposed as a criterion for the debate?


I don't know who "Baal" is, but hey tell me, how can God both do everything and nothing at a binary timeline?
Please see my answer below.


...You failed to prove that God is truly omnipotent...
On the contrary, I have proven Yahweh's omnipotence from the Bible, which was our agreed on source. 


Remember that without blind faith, the entire bible could be a joke or it could be a knowledge bait for the entire humanity. You never know, and you can't prove Yhwh without using a somewhat-unreliable source.
I'm not here to debate the authenticity of the Bible.  Please stay on the debate topic. And why would you, dear opponent, propose arguing from the Bible as you did in the comment section if you consider it a "somewhat-unreliable source.?"  Isn't that a self-defeating statement?


The times where Yhwh did nothing is called that he WOULDN'T do anything, not CAN'T. If he can do everything then he can't "do nothing". 
As I have stated in Round 3, You as a human cannot impose human "logic laws," whatever that is you haven't defined them to me, on the Almighty Sovereign God of the Bible.  I have shown you, my dear opponent, proof from the Bible (see round 3) of God's dominance and supreme authority over the corporal world.  But I'd be happy to provide a couple more Bible passages if it helps clear things up...

  • Isaiah 55: 8-9, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD.  As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." (NIV)
  • Isaiah 40:28, "Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom." (NIV)
Consider the following thought, if the God of the Bible, Yahweh, created everything in the cosmos, then Yahweh is not bound by human logic, but rather human logic is bound by Yahweh.


What if Yhwh doesn't give me the answer? I will rebel against God that God is not omnipotent and God is a liar, resulting in religious failure.
Good luck with that. Christianity has survived untold attempts at its destruction and yet it is still the number one religion in the world.  (Source)


Isn't this what God NOT want? To answer me means to ensure the survival of religion, which is what he wants. If he didn't answer, then it would mean either he doesn't care about Christianity, or doesn't exist, meaning that:
1. God may not even exist
2. God cares not Religion, meaning the entire holy book is fake and unreliable, and because logic prevents God to be omnipotent, and God wouldn't answer meaning the bible is a hoax, and it is not reliable. God is not omnipotent.
And that is how. there is NO WAY that God would give me the answer because otherwise, I can simply steal the earth away from him from rational speakings. Yhwh could simply not let that happen by sending an answer in which I didn't receive. It could also mean that "God" is nonexistent in which a fictional being didn't do anything.
Maybe Yahweh is doesn't want to answer you?  That doesn't mean that He is not omnipotent.  Maybe He just wants to answer people that are genuinely seeking Him

  • Jeremiah 29:13, "You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." (NIV)
or maybe He refuses to answer you because of of an unrepentant heart?

  • Psalm 66:18, "If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;" (NIV)

I meant not to be offensive but you need first to prove that the Bible is true.
Sorry but this is not a debate about the authenticity of the Bible.  Also you, dear opponent, have proposed that we are to use the Bible as the primary source.  So which is it?  A reliable source or not?


God needs no "power" over human just like we see no "power" in the rationalistic and atheistic law and order, we only see "power" in God. God is not law and order, and he should be, and it is the only way it is if he doesn't want rebels.
We don't know what Yahweh wants.  Maybe someday we'll know, but for now, I don't know and neither do you.  God is omnipotent and sovereign and does whatever the heck He wants.  Excuse my french.


Suppose one person smacks you in the butt once you do something wrong, and the other just changes the brain to make everything you do correctly. The former is Yhwh, unsurprisingly.
This makes no sense and is unprovable.


The only reason God even wrote the bible is that he can't change our brains.
What!?  Only Yahweh knows the deep reasons for His actions, as I have stated earlier in this round and in Round 3.


He can certainly change our brains consider after the change, everything we do will be good. There is no need for a god to lecture us consider he can print all these words in our brain, which is much more efficient than to let full historians spend ages to write their words, and if so, God wouldn't let them write them. If God had no abilities to do that though, that is why we have the bible, and it is not imprinted in our brain. Logic is not a religion and we don't need to serve God consider he can fulfill every single drop he needs and wants. 
Again, God can do whatever He wants in any way He wants and for whatever reason he wants and you and I don't need to understand why or how he does it.  Yahweh is God and you and I are not.

Omnipotent= Do everything
This incorrect.  Omnipotent means (from the definition in Round 1) "having unlimited power; able to do anything," Not "Do everything."  This is a big difference and perhaps one of the hurdles in your logic?


Omniscience= Know everything.

Yes, I agree with this but, if I may, I would expand on it and say that "everything" refers to everything known as well as unknown according to the scope of God's eternal being.


If he is omnipotent, he is also omniscient... because he can tell everything to me, which is something to do. If God knows something but was unable to express it to me, then he is not omnipotent.
First of all, I agree that if God is omnipotent, which He is, then He is also omniscient, which He is, but the rest of the statement does not follow logically.

If God knows something He can express it to you, agreed, but if He chooses not to express it to you that doesn't disprove His Omnipotence.  If anything it proves His omnipotence by showing His will to chose is sovereign.


God would update them to let us get the correct knowledge considering we matter to him. Or how about imprint in the brains?
It's God's call, not ours, but I think I alluded to the fact that Old Testament laws and regulations are different than in the New Testament, especially the  Pauline Epistles.


Why would God let humans record HIS works when he can "poof" the entire bible in front of everyone's eyes?
Even if He did, would you believe?  Probably not, so why should He?  Consider the following Bible passage about the Rich Man and Lazarus from Luke 16:19-31

  • vs 31, "He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." NIV


Plus, answer my question regarding WHY ARE THERE DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS? God should be able to translate his words into every language.
Many have wrestled over this question.  I don't know what Yahweh's answer would be, but I can propose a human perspective from someone who has lived a life studying the Bible and asking questions myself.

  • If Yahweh handed His finished words to everyone on a gold platter, maybe they wouldn't appreciate the "search" as much. And it is His omnipotent right.

Arguments


The marriage of Yahweh's Omnipotence with His Sovereignty is important and is shown by His transcendent right to do what He wants when He wants for whatever reason He wants.  All human logic questions are deflated and subordinate to the mercy of this "marriage."

Over to Con

Round 5
Con
Anyways, straightforward rebuttals. Bring it on.

 "I, as the declarer of the present debate, state that I will debate for the perspective in which the Biblical God is not omnipotent; "
Yes, but we still can't just rely on the bible consider:

This is the equivalent of Yhwh in a fictional universe, but this is not real. So how could something be omnipotent if it can't be real? Since omnipotent beings can do anything, it should be real. So far, all these I wrote, including the outdated quotes of the bible, is to prove that God of the Bible is false and is not real and cannot be real. 

"ANY GOD" cannot refer to all gods because not all gods are the same.  At any rate, I ask my opponent to honor their own debate resolution and debate description or else I appeal to the voters to consider, at the minimum, Conduct points should go to Pro for Con's refusal to honor debate agreements.
No matter how no God can do all these things I mentioned in round 1. No matter how good Gods are, they are not omnipotent because otherwise the "god" is not recognized as a being, but as law and order itself as well as logic. In other words, God's words weigh as much as so that all people are encouraged to trust it, but why trust him? Why don't change the non-believers' brains? because he doesn't want to. We don't need to worship God because an omnipotent God would be trusted by any organism as law and order and we only bow to good old' Newton's tree and statue back in Oxford, but we don't praise logic and law&order itself. The fact we trust god means he wants to do something. which if he wants to do something, it will be done immediately, causing God not wanting anything. 

Conclusion: The God of the Bible is a part of any God and since people recognize him as a being, a "God" rather than logic and thinking.

Give me a reason why people don't want to trust God and give me another reason why God doesn't need all people to trust him, despite being "correct"? What, don't want to change their brains? hehe, God can just erase disbelieving memories and make them obey with no recognition pain at all. God could erase all sufferings. And if you don't know his plan, why doesn't he tell you the plan?

On the contrary, I have proven Yahweh's omnipotence from the Bible, which was our agreed on source. 
but YOU have to prove that EVERYTHING in the bible is true, and why doesn't he update it, such as the "nonsense 7" I picked out from the 3rd round; and why WE need to write it ourselves.

Consider the following thought, if the God of the Bible, Yahweh, created everything in the cosmos, then Yahweh is not bound by human logic, but rather human logic is bound by Yahweh.
If God is omnipotent, then logic would not be bound by Yhwh, but logic would BE Yhwh instead. If we recognize him as a being, that means he is not omnipotent consider he can just inject a memory serum to everyone's minds and say "here is the bible, remember and do it for a living". No omnipotent god would use text and only text to message, and if he only uses text he would be not omnipotent because he could easily brain-connect with everyone simultaneously. An alien could easily create the cosmos but not being omnipotent, and our "god" can easily be an alien.

Good luck with that. Christianity has survived untold attempts at its destruction and yet it is still the number one religion in the world.  (Source)
IGNORANCE 100

(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1997966d7730d3e3fc57d0b8a9879bba.webp) Irreligion is growing and more and more people are not trusting God. If a trillionaire buys everything that costs $10B every day, he will still go bankrupt someday. Christianity can go bankrupt, and those people who attempted to kill Christianity is mostly Faith vs Faith and less Fact vs Faith. Christianity is good as a faith but is otherwise bound by faith. Those facts may be true and some are true, but the most vital answers are not given. (Why does God exist?)

Maybe Yahweh is doesn't want to answer you?  That doesn't mean that He is not omnipotent.  Maybe He just wants to answer people that are genuinely seeking Him
No one needs to seek him if he is truly omnipotent. They would all be judging Yhwh as law and order and not as a being. There is no answer or not consider if Yhwh is omnipotent, he will have a 24/7 inter cosmos Q&A chat running on thought itself.

Sorry but this is not a debate about the authenticity of the Bible.  Also you, dear opponent, have proposed that we are to use the Bible as the primary source.  So which is it?  A reliable source or not?
If the bible is not real, then that means Yhwh cannot be real. Period.

We don't know what Yahweh wants.  Maybe someday we'll know, but for now, I don't know and neither do you.  God is omnipotent and sovereign and does whatever the heck He wants.  Excuse my french.
He should have told us. It will be not detrimental, but vital for the proposed rapid growth of the human future.

Now tell me, Why does Yahweh exist? Any religious person SHOULD know because that is the BASE of all his knowledge.

It's God's call, not ours, but I think I alluded to the fact that Old Testament laws and regulations are different than in the New Testament, especially the  Pauline Epistles.
Ah, inconsistencies. If the bible needs explanations after 2000 years, maybe it is too confusing, and why doesn't Yhwh want us to know it? Does he want to make it all things confusing? 

  • vs 31, "He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." NIV
That proves why God is not omnipotent because he can't make a disbeliever trust what he says.

If Yahweh handed His finished words to everyone on a gold platter, maybe they wouldn't appreciate the "search" as much. And it is His omnipotent right.
Search? why not imprint this in everyone's brain? Why gotta write & search on top of someone else's ideas?

Done. EZPZ. Disproving Theists are easy because they are bound by their holy book, which is bound by blind faith. If I ask "Why does God not lie?", and if he says "Because he said so" that is the equivalent of my friends saying "Y'all shall be dead because my momma said so."

Argument end. Back to you. Good luck disproving my ideas.
Pro
Round 5

Since this is the final round I will not bring up any new arguments.

Rebuttal



This is the equivalent of Yhwh in a fictional universe, but this is not real. So how could something be omnipotent if it can't be real? Since omnipotent beings can do anything, it should be real. So far, all these I wrote, including the outdated quotes of the bible, is to prove that God of the Bible is false and is not real and cannot be real. 
Let me understand this, you are comparing the God of the Bible, the Creator of the Universe, to an anime character?!  May I remind you that this debate is not about a fictitious character about Yahweh, the Biblical God. 

Give me a reason why people don't want to trust God and give me another reason why God doesn't need all people to trust him, despite being "correct"?
Just 2 reasons off the top of my head, people don' trust Yahweh because they...
  • ...don't know that He loves them and wants them to accept Jesus as their savior.  This is a failure of Christians to evangelize not a failure of God's Omnipotence
    • Romans 10:14, "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" (NIV)
  • ...refuse to put their trust in Him.  We are all created with Free Will, we are not unthinking robots.  Some trust Yahweh some choose something else
    • Psalm 20:7, "Some trust in chariots, and some in horses, but we trust the name of Yahweh our God." (WEB)

What, don't want to change their brains? hehe, God can just erase disbelieving memories and make them obey with no recognition pain at all.
Again, we are not robots, but Free Will beings.
  • Joshua 24:15a, "But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, " (NIV)


God could erase all sufferings. And if you don't know his plan, why doesn't he tell you the plan?
The answer to this question is one of the reasons I am a Believer.  The answer to both questions is Yes! There is a plan, the Restoration of Creation back to Yahweh and Yahweh will erase all suffering.

  • Revelations 21:3-4, "And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, 'Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.'" (NIV)

On the contrary, I have proven Yahweh's omnipotence from the Bible, which was our agreed on source. 
but YOU have to prove that EVERYTHING in the bible is true, and why doesn't he update it, such as the "nonsense 7" I picked out from the 3rd round; and why WE need to write it ourselves.

Consider the following thought, if the God of the Bible, Yahweh, created everything in the cosmos, then Yahweh is not bound by human logic, but rather human logic is bound by Yahweh.
...If we recognize him as a being, that means he is not omnipotent ...
Whatever the essence of Yahweh,  it has nothing to do with His Omnipotence.

IGNORANCE 100

...but the most vital answers are not given. (Why does God exist?)
The existence of Yahweh is indisputable according to the Bible.  But again what has that to do with His omnipotence?

No one needs to seek him if he is truly omnipotent...'
They do if Yahweh wants them to.  Yahweh is in control, He is the Omnipotent One.  He decides the ground rules.  We are His creation.  We play by His rules, not our own.

If the bible is not real, then that means Yhwh cannot be real. Period.
Not a debate on the Inerrancy of Scripture.


Now tell me, Why does Yahweh exist? Any religious person SHOULD know because that is the BASE of all his knowledge.
Why don't you as Him when you see Him.  Like I said in previous Rounds, Yahweh's understanding is too vast for human comprehension.  We have bits and pieces of it His knowledge and understanding revealed in Scripture, but some things are not revealed to us.
  • Deuteronomy 29:29, "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law." (NIV)

Ah, inconsistencies. If the bible needs explanations after 2000 years, maybe it is too confusing, and why doesn't Yhwh want us to know it? Does he want to make it all things confusing? 
It's only inconsistent if you don't understand it.  Again, not a debate on the inerrancy of the Bible.


That proves why God is not omnipotent because he can't make a disbeliever trust what he says.
Omnipotence means all power and that includes the power to not force someone to believe.


Search? why not imprint this in everyone's brain? Why gotta write & search on top of someone else's ideas?
You're not God so you don't make up the rules.  Yahweh chose to allow His Words to be transmitted through Time and into our hands now in the multitude of translations.  Why?  I don't know, you'll need to ask Him yourself.  BTW I would love to debate Bibe Transmission and Canonization someday.  That topic alone will blow your mind!


"Why does God not lie?", and if he says "Because he said so" that is the equivalent of my friends saying "Y'all shall be dead because my momma said so."
A better, not perfect, analogy would be a father taking his baby to the doctor to get a life-saving injection.  The baby cries and doesn't understand why they got the injection, but their life is saved.  Someday that infant will grow up to an age where the child can understand and then the father can tell them, "my purpose was not to harm you but to save your life."  We are infants.

More infant analogies...

  • 1 Peter 2:2, "Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation," (NIV)
  • 1 Corinthians 3:1-2, "Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual, but as worldly—as infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." (NIV)


Final Statement and Appeal to the Voters

At this point, I would like to finalize my debate by bringing into scope some objections I have with this debate as it has unfolded. 

Let me draw to the attention of the Readers and Voters the following stream of comments that my opponent and I had in the comment section of this debate.

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I accept! Good luck friend!
Contender

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Both sides assuming God exists. We argue from the Bible.
Instigator

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Further clarification...
Is this debate about the existence of God or are both sides making the assumption that God, at least, exists and the one side says He is not omnipotent and the other that He is omnipotent?
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Please note
  1. My first comment was to clarify the rules of the debate.  Before I accept debate challenges I like to attempt a strategic advantage in some way.  My goal was to get my opponent to admit that God of the Bible exists and that debate would proceed with that affirmation.  I felt this would be a small advantage for me.
  2. My opponent responds by making 2 very important statements
    1. Both sides assuming God exists.
    2. We argue from the Bible.
  3. When I saw these 2 statements by my opponent I immediately accepted the debate challenge, because not only did I get my small advantage of having my opponent admit the existence of God of the Bible, but they also sweetened the pot by saying we were both going to argue from the Bible.  This was, in the vernacular of Tennis, "Game-Set-Match", because I knew I could argue and argue well from the Bible for the Omnipotence of God.  And my opponent would be at a severe disadvantage arguing against the omnipotence of God from the Bible, not that it couldn't be done, but I felt I was up to the challenge.

Objection 1: 
  • Okay so here we are in Round 5, the last round and not only has my opponent barely made any argument from the Bible (some but very few compared to their logic arguments), but they have criticized my use of using the Bible.  Even calling the Bible an unreliable source?   This "unreliable source" was their stated rules of the debate!?
Objection 2:
  • The debate resolution clearly states we are arguing about the God of the Bible.  In the description section of the debate in the first paragraph, my opponent clearly states the debate is over the "Biblical God."  My opponent has over and over throughout the debate not singled out the  Biblical God, but lumped him into "Any god."  I attempted to refute this inaccuracy and call them out on it and asked that they refocus on the subject of this debate, which is the Biblical God, and still to this round the have refused to acknowledge the subject of this debate, Yahweh.  Another violation of the debate rules.
Objection 3
  • This is the biggest objection and should weigh the most heavily on the minds of the voters.  My opponent clearly states in the comment section when discussing debate rules that they will debate "assuming God exists."  How can they believe that God exists if they have throughout this debate denied the existence of God even lumping Him into a comparison with a fictitious anime character?  My only conclusion is they tricked me into a debate on false pretenses?

I ask the Voters to consider my arguments made within the scope of the agreed-upon debate rules.  I believe I have made a strong case for the Omnipotence of the Biblical God, Yahweh.


Conclusion

I harbor no hard feelings toward my opponent.  I think they probably meant well.  Peace Out!