DebateArt should implement "secret topics"
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- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 5,000
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
secret topics: http://www.edeb8.com/motions.txt
"implement": The instigator should be given an option to instigate a debate with "Secret topic" along with a link to potential topics. The Debate will be called "Secret topic". When two people agree to it, then pro and con will have to argue a randomly decided debate from the list.
I agree with pro there is enough time for research, and that con did not challenge that... The thing is, Con has a duty to attempt to disprove (or cast strong doubt upon) the resolution, be that by providing direct evidence against it, or refuting all the evidence provided by pro. Con used the tactic of direct evidence, without refuting every statement. That there is a cost to implement, suggests it's a zero sum gain from the effort it would take to automate.
I do however like the suggested benefits were people to take part, but con successfully K'd this with the lack of demand regardless of hypothetical benefits were people to operate outside their comfort zone more often.
Conduct for forfeiture.
so that debaters did not know the topic until position was determined. You might have to argue against belief or on a topic about which you had zero information. Essentially, there was no guarantee that you had any advantage as you went in.
Off the top, that sounds idiotic. Were argument also pulled so others could not see the debate? So, what was the purpose of pulling titles?
There was a debate site called edeb8 that never had much CPU power behind it but had some innovative ideas, one of which was a "secret topic" which means that the topic was pulled from this list http://www.edeb8.com/motions.txt after debaters had accepted.
Part of the vagueness is the fact that I don't have a clue what this debate is about. If I knew what a secret topic debate is, I might have been able to offer a better vote, but I don't, so perhaps eliminating my vote was a better course.
You could pretty easily do some beta testing on such a system with a debate or two using random topics, and then try this debate again with evidence from that.
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>Reported Vote: fauxlaw // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 1:6; 1 point to Pro, and 6 points to Con.
>Reason for Decision: See Comments Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:
In essence, this vote was just too vague... This can be avoided in future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading.
The voter acted in such a way to suggest they did not give fair weighting to the debate content.
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fauxlaw
3 hours ago
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Reason:
Argument: Pro failed to overcome Con's argument of cost of mounting and maintenance of the proposal, as well as the fact that only one debate site enabled the proposal, and that site is done. Points to Con
Sourcing: Con offered the only sources.Pro's references to debates does not support the proposal. Points to Con
S&G: Pro failed to capitalized first word in R1. Point to Con
Conduct. Co forfeited R1. Point to Pro
I can't vote like how? What is reportable?
even if you vote for me, you can't vote like that I must report it sorry.
Yet you armed me with it instead.
I genuinely was going to bring that up against him in the final Round anyway, I intentionally didn't mention it in Round 1 as I knew it could help him.
Now that pro has posted their final round (I did not want to feed them evidence to support their case)...
Pretty easy to do here by asking for moderator assistance. We can modify titles and descriptions any time before voting ends.
This debate however seems to be on the idea of automating such a system for regular use.
edeb8.com is down, the site doesn't even exist.