The perfect pear is the best stand alone episode of mlp:fim
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Best: highest quality
Mlp:fim: my little pony: friendship is magic
The Perfect Pear: s7 e13
Stand alone: not part of a two parter, three parter so on and so forth
Burden of proof is shared.
Anyhow, my argument is short. Perfect Pear is the best episode of my little pony, because of its simple yet excellent story. Everyone knows Romeo and Juliet, a classic Shakespeare play that basically infers about biases and rooted assumptions. Even the Bible tells us "everyone wants to be loved" (https://www.proverbs31.org/read/devotions/full-post/2017/10/10/everyone-wants-to-be-loved). Therefore, it can be said that the episode is most people can sympathize with. The message is also fantastic as it tells us to look past what others assume is true and listen to your own heart. Through the episode, it's clear Grandfather pear regret his actions he took against his daughter, and encourages people to rethink their biases.
- It is not the best at supporting Donald Trump
- It is not the best at supporting Racism
- It is not the best at supporting Suicide.
In short, con's Kritik falls flat. That said, while it was non-sequitur to the resolution and argument it tried to challenge, it fell flat without pro in fact challenging it when there was opportunity... So arguments remain tied.
Pro offered an episode, with ample evidence of it being high quality (I'm a jerk, so I'll snicker at people crying about it... still, I can appreciate that they see something special in it), and producing some good in the world by encouraging fans to do better regarding biases.
Con offers the counter that it wasn't the worst episode. This introduces no point of comparison for another episode to do better (even at being the worst via supporting suicide).
The ratings graph was a great source, particularly as it immediately opened the door for con to find another episode better on some metric; which made the cheap tactic even worse.
And I am outright surprised con is not winning this due to pro's >50% forfeitures, which automatically earn negative conduct without need for argument analysis.
Sources and Conduct should be self-explanatory. Only one side used sources and only one side forfeited with nothing else worth mentioning in either category.
I believe Con won this debate via arguments almost solely due to Pro not posting in Round 3. To me, no matter how obviously wrong a Kritik angle is, I can't just go ahead and 'infer the wrongness' if it's not explicitly ruled out.
Con argues that to be the highest quality standalone episode, the quality must be shown to be in all areas and categories possible for the show to be best in. While Con never brings forward episodes of MLP that surpass the episode with regards to Donald Trump, Racism or whatever else he brings up, Pro never explains on what specific criteria we are to base 'highest quality'.
I think 'not the best at being the worst' was actually a powerful point to bring up but that again is down to Pro never replying to it. This simple idea completely thrusts the resolution to default to being a paradox.
2/3 of a falafel
PRO provided arguments that represent the correct context of the phrase "The best", especially when it is used comparatively to other episodes of My Little Pony. CON is arguing as if said episode is the perfect creation, the almighty God of things, and then disprove it, when in fact, CON's job is to disprove that said episode is only the best comparatively to others. CON's argument, at this point, can be either illustrated as semantic exploitation or the wrong interpretation of the topic. Nothing personal to Crocodile but I think PRO won arguments.
PRO used arguments, reviews, reaction clips to demonstrate why said episode is the best. However, CON used a very controversial and non-contextly theory and "proof" without using a single source to prove that it is, indeed, correct. PRO won sources.
S&G: Both sides coherent, Good job.
Conduct: PRO has forfeited more. Points to CON.
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Conduct only votes are warranted without analysis of other points due to >=50% forfeiture.
It's not quite a full forfeiture... That said, I'm going to edit my vote to tie arguments. I expected many conduct only votes for the >50% forfeiture.
wtf ima lose
:((((
Shouldn't I automatically win this due to the FF?
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Sorry for the late reply, it actually had to be discussed in moderation chat.
It's pretty close to an FF, but technically not quite. I'm literally tossing this type of thing into the next referendum, to settle it once and for all.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4574-upcoming-meep-voting-policy
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>Reported Vote: Trent0405 // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 0:7; All points to Con.
>Reason for Decision: See Comments Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:
People forfeit by degrees. Any unexcused forfeited rounds merits a conduct loss. However, for less than a 50% forfeiture, arguments must still be voted on or justified as a tie.
A full-forfeit debate is defined as a debate that has no argument presented by one side following the opening round, resulting in all subsequent rounds being forfeited. When this is the case, these debates are considered full-forfeit debates and are not moderated unless a voter votes for the forfeiting side.
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This falls right on the line between borderline and needing to be deleted, and even with internal discussion us moderators are unsure. With a week left to vote, I am opting for deleting it to give you maximum opportunity to revote if you so choose. Given the content of the debate, it could be a single sentence to justify arguments (if voting arguments, otherwise they need not be mentioned).
Also I'm tossing a related question into the next referendum, to avoid this issue in future.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4574-upcoming-meep-voting-policy
Trent0405
7 days ago
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason:
Full Forfeit.
I'll have you know when you combine Lincoln and Washington, you get the ultimate best at being a Korean Businessman!
"How dare you"?
Is it false? No one that has walked on the soil of Earth has been proven omnipotent. Even JESUS wasn't as omnipotent as God. Lincoln and Washington is no God and being good at politics is enough for them to be the GOAT of the field.
Does this count as an FF
How dare you insinuate that Lincoln and Washington aren't the best at being a Korean Businessman! 😉
Thanks
"2/3 of a falafel"
I love your vote!
He only needs to prove that a certain episode is the Best relatively, and it doesn't need to for all aspects.
Lincoln and Washington are considered best presidents, but they aren't the best at being a Korean Businessman, nor are they the best at ultimately suppressing freedom. That still doesn't make them NOT the best presidents.
wow
welp he made an argument
No, he instigated
welp, he accepted
I mean, i still have one argument ready, in case he comes back
I mean, as much as I crave position and rating, if I am only accepting things taking advantage for forfeitures, then I will be called out as a coward.
haha free elo boost go brr
https://i.redd.it/04d5nlitt2y31.png
That describes me right now.
nah i just like dem free wins
Judging from that PRO is off for 6 days, are you taking advantage of FF, or do you really understand children's cartoons?
What do you mean by "best"?
I am most likely NOT accepting this debate because I am not into children's cartoons, but how to define it?