Instigator / Pro
4
1489
rating
19
debates
42.11%
won
Topic
#2147

merit is more valuable than wealth and resources

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
2
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
1
0

After 1 vote and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

Crocodile
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
20,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
6
1436
rating
22
debates
38.64%
won
Description

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@Intelligence_06

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>Reported Vote: Intelligence_06 // Mod action: Not Removed
>Points Awarded: 1:3; 3 points to Con.
>Reason for Decision: See Votes Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action: This vote was borderline. Borderline votes are automatically ruled as sufficient.
While this vote could have been removed based on technicality, I did not deem it necessary. For future reference, please adhere to the following 3 steps to award argument points:
(1) survey the main argument and counterargument in the debate,
(2) weigh those arguments and counterarguments against each other, and
(3) explain, based on the weighing process, how they reached their decision.
This vote did not touch on point 3 as much as it should have, but the overall vote was borderline.

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@Jeff_Goldblum
@fauxlaw

vote please.

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@RationalMadman
@Barney

vote pls

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@Intelligence_06

vote or you shall succumb to the never ending paradox of hell

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@shadow_712

Yeah might drop a vote here

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@Crocodile
@Intelligence_06

Jaw dropping argument! tides have turned.

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@Crocodile

If you don't make new arguments in R5 nor does PRO, then there is a very high chance that you will win.

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@Crocodile

If you don't make new arguments in R5 nor does PRO, then there is a very high chance that you will win.

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@Intelligence_06

true. but making new arguments in final round is generally frowned upon

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@Crocodile

I genuinely do not think it is refutable. And what you could do better is distract PRO for one more round with a relatively-mediocre argument for the big bomb there is.

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@Intelligence_06

i followed the definitions lol.

i realized that merit was a resource.

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@Crocodile

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/031/015/EA42mJJXYAEzxWF_(2).jpg

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@Crocodile

Wow. This argument is so rad it is almost a K.

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@Intelligence_06

k .

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@Crocodile

Before I read yours, the most shocking one I have ever seen is probably my Atheist BoP debate. And oh, yeah, I do not expect anything less than that.

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@Barney

you three

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@Intelligence_06

you too

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@RationalMadman
@shadow_712

I'll think you'll be thoroughly shocked by my argument

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@Crocodile

well!have fun ,maybe some other time.

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@shadow_712

My trip lasts for a week. Sorry, I don't think I'll be able to do even that.

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@Crocodile

If you want I can extend my entire timeframe as well, will give you 5 days to comeback and make an argument in R5 , would you like that?

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@shadow_712

i'm sorry for forfeiting. I am away on a trip, i might not have time to finish the debate.

sincerest apologies.

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@BearMan

Could not agree more!

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@shadow_712

Money is not real. The value of money is simply just a reward in our mind. That is why the value of foreign currency is hard to understand without transferring it into native or local currency.

Merit on the other hand is you. It is part of who you are as a being. Those who value merit over money believe in the true nature of us as human beings. Those who value money on the other hand value the societal nature, or the modern nature we have adopted to. This modern nature includes complex parts of thinking, ideas which have melded into effective government systems, rewards, and scientific advancements.

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@BearMan

But what is your philosophy for people who do not prioritize wealth in their life? This debate has examples, Madam Curie did not patent radioactivity so that patients could benifit from it she gave away her research for free to save lives. My grandpa used to say," why prioritize money? you wont take it with you in the afterlife, deeds and memories are of better values." My philosophy is also mostly same, Money is a necessity not a priority atleast for me.

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@shadow_712

Yeah. Well money and wealth builds merit, and merit enhances that wealth. Essentially, once you have enough money, your merit builds the wealth, and not your actual money. I'm not sure if this makes sense, but this is what I believe.

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@shadow_712

exactly, the first favours your side and the latter favours neither.

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@RationalMadman

I think i can defend both the definitions easily

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@shadow_712

'valuable' means 'worth a great deal of money'.

Thus, the wealthy can purchase the meritable, using their means of exchange for the 'value' of the meritable person's skill. While they can purchase resources, their wealth itself is how they get valuable things, not itself capable of being valuable.

it alternatively means 'very helpful or important' but that definition favours both sides equally.