Instigator / Pro
12
1417
rating
158
debates
32.59%
won
Topic
#2207

Weekends Should be 3 days Long Instead

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
3
6
Better sources
6
4
Better legibility
3
3
Better conduct
0
3

After 3 votes and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...

TNBinc
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
16
1534
rating
5
debates
80.0%
won
Description

Weekend: the end of the week

Day: A full rotation of the earth relative to its axis

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@RationalMadman

Whim? You will document that. And I refer you to the current debate, https://www.debateart.com/debates/2221/resolved-referenced-sources-are-necessary-in-a-debate

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@fauxlaw

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>Reported Vote: fauxlaw // Mod action: Not Removed
>Points Awarded: 5:1; 5 points to PRO.
>Reason for Decision: See Votes Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action: This vote was borderline. Borderline votes are automatically ruled as sufficient.
While the reasoning for the sources point was not thorough enough, the conduct and arguments points were allocated fairly enough to satisfy a borderline rating.

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@TNBinc

Fauxlaw votes on whims, there's little guaranteed other than that if you stick to decent sourcing he doesn't vote against you for sourcing. He rarely ties points as opposed to the norm of tying most points that all other voters have. I'll vote eventually on this.

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@TNBinc

1. Both abandoned sources after r1. But Con had more and better sources supporting his argument. You offered three sources, all saying the same thing: a 4-day work week is not a 40-hour work week, and you said a 40-hr work week is standard, but offered no evidence of that. Don't assume. Cite a source. It may be a standard, but a little research will reveal that most people do not work 40 hr/wk. You also said employees [implying all employees] are paid hourly. Once I finished school, I never worked an hourly wage. And after 20 years working for somebody else, I ran my own companies. Again, don't assume.
2. You assumed productivity is demonstrated by time cards and progress reports. Don't assume. Cite a source. As it happens, you're wrong on both counts and have obviously never had to run a company or demonstrate productivity. Your opponent was correct. There is evidence of higher productivity, and he showed it. Just because you put in 40 hours, or whatever, of "work" does not prove you are producing 40 hours of work. Look it up.
3. You assume 8 hours of work, 8 hours of sleep, and 14 hours of other activity. That may be your schedule, but don't assume you're the norm. For over 50 years, I worked 12 - 16 hours, slept 4 hours, and the rest... But I love my work, so it's more play than work. I'm retired and still work. Don't assume. You cited none of your claims, and assume everyone is the same. Such a poor assumption.
3. You assume because your opponent forfeited the last roud that you had nothing to rebut. You did, but didn't. Such as the above issues.

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@fauxlaw

Also, PRO ditched the sources in the 2nd round.

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@fauxlaw

And also, when you say "PRO is arguing productivity increase, and I did not state anything about that", you are simply saying "I did not read CON's round two."

There are already ways to enusure productivity in business, such as time cards and progress reports

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@fauxlaw

I did not really understand how PRO got the vote for "Better arguments" and "Better sources":

Let me start with "Better sources".

PRO had one round of sources, and I also had one round of sources. PRO unnecessarily blamed me as "not making sense" when it is really his fault. The American standard is a 40 hour work week, and PRO said nothing about changing it to a 32 hour work week in the first round, so it is indirectly said that all existing things would be the same in his argument, or a 40 hour work week. Also, if you are saying the previous sentence is "unjhustified" one could simply say "yeah lets change it so they do not have to go to work." That is what literally PRO is doing in the round two, and is blaming me for his own logical fallacy.

And what do you (fauxlaw) mean "I could not rebut the claim about lost hours?" I clearly stated in round two that it would also impact schools, and employees are paid by the hour, and the business would gradually lose money. In the school area, I clearly told PRO that you can't "skip" school like you can skip a business.

And this assumption was entertained by PRO because he did not say anything about changing it to 32 hour work week and blaming me; you aren't allowed to blame another for the mistakes of your own, so that would count against him for both argument and conduct."

Please take this in consideration for the voting, as I did not really understand how pro got Better arguments and Better sources, and your reasoning says I did not do things I clearly did in my rounds two and three.

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@seldiora

BTW thats not what moving the goal post means in round 2.

oops

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@Crocodile

Wait whos that lol

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@TNBinc

Welcome to the true successor of DDO

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@Intelligence_06

Thanks!

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@TNBinc

It matters not the vehicle, but the product. I don't know or care how efficient your method is. As long as you deliver your message in a way that is convincing, no one cares what format to use. As long as you deliver a pack of bricks, no one cares if you are driving a Volvo truck or a broken Ape. I have no say over whether your method is on-point or not because I do not write it like that. However, to my knowledge, it is pretty convincing. Since this is more about sources than logical rhetorics, I suggest you consult Trent0405. He has loads of sources everywhere he goes.

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@Intelligence_06

Hey intelligence_06, is my argument like how one is supposed to write it? I posted it ~2 min ago.

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@TNBinc

It is best to include objective sources, but if you got none then use personal examples.

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@Intelligence_06

Do I need to have sources? Or are personal examples OK?

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@TNBinc

It continues and the one that forfeits will lose conduct unless the other one does more.

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@RationalMadman
@Intelligence_06

So, if a debate is forfeited, will the debate continue as normal or does it have to stop like debate.org

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@Intelligence_06

He knew you were anc2006 and went straight to the debating arena with no pause or forum-interaction since creating his account.

I think he doesn't need to be told that people are entitled to stall, hw knows it all too well.

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@TNBinc

Most debaters here waste one day or longer, so expect his argument later. I had RM(One of the most successful debaters) handing in his round one second before due.

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@seldiora

Can you please post your argument for "Weekends should be 3 days long"

https://www.debateart.com/debates/2207/weekends-should-be-3-days-long-instead

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@Intelligence_06

Well yeah, its pretty much inactive and also nobody votes so its always tie 0=0

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@TNBinc

Yep, I am. I take that site less seriously than this one.

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@Intelligence_06

Yeah, thats me!

I know who you are, anc2006

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@TNBinc

Oh are you the guy who accepted the "dart gud" debate on DDO?

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@seldiora

define "should"