The User "YeshuaBought" unjustly called me a "racist" and "troll" on DDO
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After 7 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...
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Yeshua Bought called me a racist with no rational basis, and she also called me a troll. Here is the debate, accept this challenge if you please. Here is the debate she attacked me on-
https://www.debate.org/debates/Deport-all-Illegal-Immigrants-Change-my-Mind/1/
Pro failed to provide proof. I don't believe that YeushaBought has the same account as NKJVPrewrather. One of them is a liberal, the other is a moderate. I forgot who was who.
However, Con swore and threatened to block Pro. This is poor conduct.
Conduct; Pro.
Con ended the debate by saying "End of the fucking line, boy." This was both rude and unnecessary, aside from not even being a valid point in the debate. Con also engaged in 'ALL CAPS' shouting during the second round of the debate, during a seemingly off-topic rant. Con's overall attitude during the debate was confrontational and borderline trolling.
Sources; Pro.
Pro provides a source in the description of the debate by linking directly to the location where the subject reportedly called him a racist. Further, Pro also indicates that he has further evidence in the form of a private message from the subject in which the subject admits guilt. Pro points to both of these sources in a way which effectively supports his arguments. Con provided no sources.
Arguments; Pro.
Pro makes a valid and succinct argument. He alleges that he was called a racist by the subject of the debate. He cites the location where the incident in question took place, as well as a private message in which the subject admits guilt. His argument is brief and simple, but believable and supported by his citations.
Con conversely approaches the debate in a trollish manner, indicating that he is defending his "client" (who never directly responds). His initial argument is to merely deny that the account in question in the originally cited discussion belongs to the "client" whom he is defending. Pro provides an effective rebuttal of this by referring to the aforementioned private message in which the "client" admitted guilt. Con then changes strategy and, while still attempting to indirectly deny his "client's" involvement, engages in a borderline incoherent rant where he claims that it wouldn't matter even if his "client" did do it. By the end of this rant, Con is actually shouting in 'ALL CAPS' in a very unprofessional manner. In the final round, Pro didn't respond, but Con still took it upon himself to close the debate with rude and insulting commentary.
Argument obviously goes to Pro for making a simple, direct and logical claim which was supported by the citations provided, while Con responded mainly by being rude and trolling.
Please do not have thi site turn into DDO.
Don’t want this site to turn into DDO.
There weren’t any arguments but conduct went to Con fo Pro’s forfeit.
Pro produced no evidence whatsoever that YeshuaBought is NKJVPrewrather. Thus Pro's claim fails and the debate goes to Con. Conduct to Con because Pro forfeited the final round.
This was silly.
Pro's failure to appear in the last round gives conduct to Pro. Other than that the debate itsekf was a comolete mess and probably should have never been started in the first place.
Conduct to con : this debate shouldn’t exist and appears to be borderline harassment. Also a forfeit.
Arguments to con. Pro didn’t establish a basic burden of proof and merely asserts his primary argument. As no evidence or detail is presented, con wins by default on burden of proof.
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>Reported Vote: Raltar // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 6 points to Pro for arguments, sources, and conduct
>Reason for Decision: I'm a completely new user, so I don't know the backstory on all this drama (please don't tell me, either), nor do I have any grudges to settle.
But here is what I do see:
1. Pro cited a source and also claims to have evidence via private message.
2. Con merely denied everything, had no evidence, cited a random song and then engaged in a long rant before insulting Pro in the last round.
As an impartial observer, Pro made a good argument on his own and Con's bad behavior pushed the argument across the finish line to an obvious win for Pro.
>Reason for Mod Action: In order to award sources points, the voter must "explain how the sources were relevant to the debate. This requires that the voter explain how the sources impacted the debate, directly assessing the strength of at least one source, and explaining how it either strengthened or weakened the argument it was utilized for." The voter did not do this. In order to award argument points, the voter must identify the main arguments and counterarguments in the debate and weigh them to produce a result. The voter did not sufficiently did survey the main arguments of the debate. Finally, to award conduct points, the voter must show that one side was excessively rude (excessive = very frequent or severe). The voter provided no analysis as to the excessiveness of the conduct violations. The voter could cast a sufficient vote by explaining how the sources were relevant to the debate, analyzing at least one source, surveying and weighing the main arguments of the debate, and demonstrating how the conduct violations were excessive.
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If she calls you a racist, isin't that free speech?
direct message
It seems the mods are more intent on dealing with who votes for what that keeping the site quality content.
Sorry, the mods are intent on making this DDO 2.0.
This is exactly one of the reasons I left DDO. All the debates were “this person did this and this person did that.” Please keep this site unlike DDO. There are some high quality debates on here, please do not ruin the atmosphere.
What does it mean to DM?
Debate like this will make this place the debate site of the internet. Classy
used the wrong song, but it was an even better choice.
link in description
So you just gave me permission to give a link. Thx.
Prove I said that with a link, or shut up. I don't know you from Adam, nor do I care about you.
My client, YeshuaBought has admitted nothing. ;)))))))))))))
It's her alternate account. You can DM me if you want proof. She admitted it.
I don't think YeshuaBought called you that. I think it was NKJVPrewrather.