While you didn't directly answer my questions, you have revealed two critical underlying assumptions that need to be addressed before stating my conclusion.
- Actions are determined by perceived results, not beliefs
- Morality is subjective, more specifically pragmatic, as opposed to being objective
Actions are determined by perceived results, not beliefs
I reject this idea. The examples you provided are also irrelevant because they involve people who were not in a self-induced state of confusion. Allow me to elaborate my disagreement. If I was in a building that was on fire, the only way I am going to flee that building is if I actually believe it is on fire. It would be unreasonable for me to run out of a building that I did not believe was on fire as though it was. It doesn't matter how strong my opinions are on the rewards/punishments of staying inside a burning building. I must first believe it is burning for me to act upon the fact that it is truly burning. Inaction based on the wrong belief that there is no fire would result in the undesirable outcome of a human barbecue.
Let's apply this to the village scenario. Even if the confused perception of reality did not manifest any evil actions at the time of observation, it may lead to problems down the road when confronted with new circumstances or information. Perhaps the village catches fire, and you discover that after drinking the magic water, you now believe that getting burned by fire is a good thing. If you had known this consequence at the time of observation prior to drinking the water, you may have chosen not to do so. Also, you may also have been able to try to warn the villagers that fire is in fact bad and they should leave. But you have since given up your ability to discern truth from error and what you thought was a harmless decision to drink the water ended in a human barbecue. Your choice and the resultant inaction led to the harm of yourself and others.
So no matter what influence rewards or punishments may have on our actions, these actions are ultimately dependent on what we believe to be true.
Morality is subjective, more specifically pragmatic, as opposed to being objective
"Remember that con has not yet defeated the idea of the peer pressure and the potential punishments or being ill received for being in the minority."
The argument is that the end result of being accepted by the majority is the basis for justifying the action of drinking the water. That is pragmatism. The action is determined to be "fine" or "okay" so long as that action is useful or practical in achieving the desired outcome. This is a form of subjective morality. Right and wrong is not absolute but a matter of preference and perspective that is subject to change at any time.
Conclusion
So I would like to summarize what we have discussed so far. The assertion of this debate was that it would "fine" or "okay" to drink magic water that causes confusion (unable to discern truth from falsehood). There is an implication that it would be morally acceptable to enter this state of confusion. The motivation for drinking the water is to be accepted into a village of people who have all done so. You also don't want to be rejected, giving further incentive to comply. The justification for drinking the water is that, upon observation, the village seems to be functioning normally in their confused state.
My contention is that rejecting your ability to discern truth from falsehood is foolish and wicked. It is foolish because you are creating an alternate reality in your mind that is different than the true reality you still physically exist in. It is wicked because you must deny objective morality that is based on absolute truth. If you drink the water and lose your ability to discern what is objectively true and false, you will also be unable to discern what is objectively good and evil. Such a decision would be wrong if objective morality does in fact exist. I believe my opponent has admittedly rejected objective morality as his position requires him to do.
This means that when my opponent says it is morally acceptable to drink the water, he can only make this assertion apply to himself and those who agree. There is no basis to say my position is actually wrong, since there is no absolute standard to determine that. If there is no basis to say my position is truly wrong, then you may as well vote on this debate according to your own personal perception of right and wrong. However, if you believe that there are actions like murder, rape, or slavery that are truly and inherently evil, then I believe I have demonstrated that you must also reject my opponent's position based on the denial of objective morality.
can i get a glass of water.I want to forget
actually, I guess equal means most people might do nothing as they are lazy. It's up to debate
the benefits either outweigh the negatives, or are equal.
What's the definition of fine?
Con arg is basically staying true to yourself
I think that Pro is 10x easier than con. I don't see the justification for Con.
Democrats too. Only the republicans' water contains 10x more drugs than the democrat one.
Isn't that the Republican Party's campaign slogan?
do you think pro side is winnable? It seems pretty hard, merely due to peer pressure to take this strange mental-altering "drug"