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Tahani and The Good Place (spoilers and full debate topic inside)

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Safalcon7
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Full debate topic: Tahani Al-Jamil did not deserve to be assigned to the Bad Place based solely on the partially vain motives behind her extremely and consistently benevolent actions. She is in fact among the least malevolent human characters in the entire show, if not the single least.

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A great show and a great character.

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--> @oromagi @MisterChris @gugigor

bump please! 3 days to go

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--> @oromagi @MisterChris @gugigor

Bump bump bump, a week left!

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vote bump

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--> @oromagi

Since you seem to have watched the show, wanna cast a vote, please?

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https://thegoodplace.fandom.com/wiki/Linda_Johannsen

I misspelled Johannsen in my Round 2.

This fandom wiki fails to mention that a whole episode before Eleanor accidentally provokes a revealing reaction from Linda, that Tahani had already told her she thought Linda was a demon-plant.

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--> @Undefeatable

I love a good ethics debate, but I've never seen this show, so Im gonna pass on this one.

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--> @Sum1hugme

You wanna try this? It’s basically our Kantian vs utilitarianism debate. Pro basically has to argue we must not weigh motivation over consequences, while you can say the opposite

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Nice to see you debating again, RM. It has been a been a while.

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I think you like her broad shoulders.

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--> @oromagi

Chidi is actually the only one of the four who didn't have a bad life, he merely had crippling anxiety. The others had very sad lives with a lot stacked against them.

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--> @oromagi

Chidi is worthy of less pity than Tahani is, her life was sadder, her circumstances more unfair and her psyche more benevolent than his.

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--> @oromagi

It is not based on Christianity, it explicitly states so at several points in the series. Any human would envy his/her/their sister in her shoes, she had emotionally abusive parents who had a favourite child, it is impossible to require her not to be jealous of her sociopathic, favoured sister and to then call your judgement system a valid one.

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Jealousy is a sin and to resent one's only sister's success doubly so. Further, Tahini was born to wealth and beauty so her generosity of spirit was seldom tested. Plus, Tahini was an exhausting braggart. Chidi dedicated his life to self-improvement and the improvement of his fellow man. If his deeper understanding of the uncertainties that underpin all of our self-justifications paralyzed him- well, it is pitiable but I also feel much sympathy.

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Thx for invite but my hundredth debate is promised to whiteflame and I'm just holding out for some improvement in my time and temperament before I take that on.

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--> @gugigor

It isn't just that, her entire nature is is extremely empathetic and giving, I actually was a bit perplexed when it turned out to be the bad place because I was like wtf did Tahani do so wrong and the answer made no sense to me.

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--> @oromagi

Janet isn't a human. Tahani is a better person than Chidi, Chidi just 'tries to be' more good than most. If you want, I'll make a debate about Tahani vs Chidi.

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I do love The Good Place. Obama gave it a shout out last month. Least malevolent is a terrifically high standard in a hierarchy that includes Doug and Janet and Gwendolyn and Chidi.

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--> @RationalMadman

oh, I agree. Chidi was absolutely ridiculous in his inaction, and Eleanor was just mean while Jason wasted his life away. At least Tahani was good in terms of utilitarian outcomes.

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--> @oromagi

Pretty sure this debate will interest you.