Some deadbeat parents should be sterilized.
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After 2 votes and with 11 points ahead, the winner is...
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Rules:
1) I waive the first round and my opponent waived the last round.
I sense I’m going to lose this debate because I’m going against someone who is very smart and I think some voters will be biased against me (like Wylted). Because of this and other reasons, this debate is unrated.
Even non-violent marriages produce poor health outcomes for spouses if one or both partners are unhappy (3, p. 464). Researchers at the University of Nevada and Michigan studied over 300 couples for 16 years to see what effect mere disputes (not physical violence, only disagreements) had on the health of married people. The researchers found that conflict-prone marriages induced health problems which interfered with work at a higher rate than happy marriages (4). Researchers also noted that physiological changes in the body, including inflammation and the release of stress hormones, can be linked to unhappy marriages too (4). Cardiovascular health indicators (i.e. cholesterol levels, unhealthy levels of smoking and drinking, strokes, etc.) also suggest that unhappy spouses are susceptible to worse heart health (5).
Remember, most child support payments go uncollected, mostly because divorce renders people destitute (14).
The research unearthed facts about domestic violence’s role in ending older Americans’ marriages, to wit, verbal, physical, and emotional abuse was the “foremost” reason for divorce in the hundreds of older Americans surveyed, being present in over 30% of marriages(1, p. 20). According to another study of 886 divorcees in 2012, physical violence was an important reason for divorce in 13% of marriages (2, p. 456). Domestic violence constitutes a not insignificant reason for divorce in the US.
The most common sterilization procedures are tubal ligations and vasectomies. Under Pro’s plan, the use of these procedures would increase, exposing patients to opioids.
The Mayo Clinic estimates that between 1% and 2% of men who get a vasectomy experience chronic pain (8).
Opioids are often prescribed to patients who undergo vasectomies (11). A survey from medical journal Andrologia found that over 50% of sampled urologists prescribed opioids to vasectomized patients(11). Another study, from the Journal of Urology, found that opioid use was persistent in 8% of the 200 subjects studied (12). Patients were sometimes given upwards of 40 opioid tablets, and many of these pills were stashed (12). The total number of excess pills was between 500 and 900 in the 200-person study (12). Women, too, are prescribed a significant number of pills after tubal ligation.
Argument: Pro waived R1 whereas Voting Policy dictates there must be argument made in each round specified. Since pro initiated the debate in 4 rounds, there must be argument [includes rebuttals, defenses, conclusions] in all rounds. Further Con challenged Pro that Pro's tactic of Resolution indicated "some deadbeats" rather than all did not have justification. Pro never addressed this challenge by indicating what "some" meant and why only some deserve sterilization. Dropped argument. Con wins points.
Sourcing: Pro's sourcing, such as reference to Guttmacher Inst. did not dig deep enough to recognize flaw in Pro's cited percentages. points to Con
Legibility: tie
Conduct: Pro waived both first and last round, excuses not acceptable. Con wins point
Blamonkey has many significant arguments: including the vast cost of child abuse, the opioids, and Pro's lack of framework. Pro has some sources that suggests a little bit of benefit to sterilization, but fails to establish a concrete criteria for "deadbeat parents", nor clear benefits of sterilization. I need explanation for why it's so important to reduce abortion rates! Tell me how you uniquely create these benefits that Con can't replicate. Because Con used the domestic violence as a powerful crux to build his case upon, establishing a truly dangerous and horrifying world. Pro would have to do much better with diving deep into why sterilization is good in its core with logic and reasoning, or extra sources supporting his logic. Here, his case falls flat on its face. Sources also to Con, because Pro was very nebulous and his one important source regarding abortion was clearly wrong/inaccurate.
Thanks for the votes!
No problem. Great debate.
Good debate; sorry Calculus got in the way.
just a heads up, I know nearly nothing about sterilization, so feel free to ask me questions about detail in my vote.
No problem
I won't be able to respond the last round because of some summer work I have to do. Sorry about that.
Sources for the *3rd round*
1. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/10-billion-in-child-support-payments-going-uncollected-according-to-estimates/
2. https://heathbakerlaw.com/can-parents-make-an-agreement-to-waive-child-support/
3. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/193684
4. https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/crc2015_March2017_0.pdf
5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6182105/
6. https://disa.com/map-of-marijuana-legality-by-state
7. https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1097/JU.0000000000000304
8. https://www.hamptonroadslegal.com/faqs/facts-on-divorce-in-america.cfm#:~:text=There%20is%201%20divorce%20approximately,and%20876%2C000%20divorces%20a%20year.
Sources for 2nd round
1. https://unplannedpregnancy.com/abortion/making-your-abortion-decision/why-do-women-get-abortions/
2. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives
3. https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/opioid-overdose-crisis#:~:text=The%20Centers%20for%20Disease%20Control,treatment%2C%20and%20criminal%20justice%20involvement.
4. https://docdro.id/yhHJUPu will open as pdf
5. https://www.cdc.gov/stroke/facts.htm#:~:text=Stroke%2Drelated%20costs%20in%20the,billion%20between%202014%20and%202015.&text=This%20total%20includes%20the%20cost,of%20serious%20long%2Dterm%20disability.
6. https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/10123038/PartneredButPoor.pdf
7. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/progress-notes/201902/alarming-effects-childrens-exposure-domestic-violence
8. https://docdro.id/BnxY3iV (will open as PDF, go to table before discussion section)
9. http://dspace.library.uvic.ca/bitstream/handle/1828/6611/Artz_Sibylle_IJCYFS_2014.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
10. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/progress-notes/201902/alarming-effects-childrens-exposure-domestic-violence
11. https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(11)01139-0
12. https://docdro.id/vO0BKqO (open as pdf) (check discussions header and results)
13. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0003122420957249
14. https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/
15. https://www.peertechzpublications.com/articles/ACMPH-3-128.php
16. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/advances-in-psychiatric-treatment/article/forced-marriage-implications-for-mental-health-and-intellectual-disability-services/AC591C015B16EC5BC736227A00FCDADD
17. https://www.jmhhb.org/temp/JMentalHealthHumBehav20116-1138672_030946.pdf
18. https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2458-14-492
I was supposed to waive the first round. I think I make a plan in my second round.
Here are my sources
1. https://assets.aarp.org/rgcenter/general/divorce.pdf
2.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/241745685_Reasons_for_Divorce_and_Openness_to_Marital_Reconciliation
3. https://docdro.id/SyjFo2A (will open as a PDF)
4. https://europeansting.com/2018/07/24/a-bad-marriage-can-be-as-unhealthy-as-smoking-and-drinking/
5. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/11/20/a-bad-marriage-can-literally-break-your-heart-especially-if-youre-a-woman/
6. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/316/535
7. https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx
8. https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/vasectomy/about/pac-20384580
9. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/progress-notes/201902/alarming-effects-childrens-exposure-domestic-violence
10. https://docdro.id/BnxY3iV (will open as PDF, go to table before discussion section)
11. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/and.13563
12. https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1097/JU.0000000000000304
13. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2739048
14. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/10-billion-in-child-support-payments-going-uncollected-according-to-estimates/
15. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5657867/
16. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2527388
I can modify my position based on what I later think.
I don't care if somebody I disagrees with wins. Tbh
You changed your position from all deadbeats to some, whichbis cowardly. I am less biased against this new easier opinion to defend. With that said, I use zero bias in judging a debate.