Instigator / Pro
0
1512
rating
2
debates
50.0%
won
Topic
#3238

Bottled water

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
12
Better sources
0
8
Better legibility
0
4
Better conduct
0
4

After 4 votes and with 28 points ahead, the winner is...

Ramshutu
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
28
1764
rating
43
debates
94.19%
won
Description

Background: Bottled water has been indicted as a waste of money and environmental disaster. I will defend it as adding value to lives.

Resolved: Bottled water is a net good for society

5,000 character limit per round in the interests of brevity

Format:

I will waive round 1 by stating only the following in round 1: "Round 1 waived per debate rules."
You will waive round 3 by stating only the following in round 3: "Round 3 waived per debate rules."
I will not be permitted to respond to your round 1 until round 3.
I will not be permitted to respond to your round 2.
Voters are instructed to disregard any response I make in violation of these rules, except that it may be considered a conduct violation.

The purpose of the foregoing rules is to conduct the debate in a manner which eliminates the contender's advantage and also to deprive my opponent of any opportunity to take advantage of me posting my case first. I'd also rather not do the work to construct a case unless I know that my opponent will not flake out.

These are my terms against a random people who I have not vetted. It is essentially a two round debate of 5,000 characters each where neither of us has the last word, effectively, as I'm not permitted to respond to your round 2. If you have a debating history which suggests a low probability that you'll flake out, then feel free to make application for rule changes in the comments.

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@dfss9788

I would be happy to make another debate: feel free to challenge me, I would like to propose a couple of changes if you were redoing it.

If you could make it 4 rounds, to allow a rejoinder/conclusion (always off putting not being able to offer objections to a rebuttal), and if you’re willing, going up to 7500 words; still not lots, but means that I don’t have to bitly all my links, or shorten bottled water to BW to make the limit :)

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@Ramshutu

This didn't make my priorities. I have made a case for it. If you wish we may make another one and continue the debate so your work doesn't go to waste. In any case, this one is yours.

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@Ramshutu

Kudos.

5 hours writing argument.
3 days trying to trim down from 10,000 words.

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@949havoc

It appears I have a taker here so I don't think I can oblige. Though, I do still have 2 other debates in open challenge.

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@Ramshutu

I have edited the debate to one week for time to post arguments. That should be sufficient to address your concern.

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@dfss9788

IE: to waive on Sunday so I don’t have to write arguments over the weekend? :D

Are you willing to wait until Sunday to post the first round?

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@Ramshutu

In general I had contemplated the mass produced consumer water bottle, generally the disposable sort off the shelves at Walmart and Costco because that's where I get them. I had also contemplated the glass ones, but most of them are plastic.

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@dfss9788

Are you talking about water in any form of bottles or specifically mass produced plastic consumer bottled water?

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@949havoc

I will consider your request.

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@dfss9788

Or, if you want a 2 round debate, make it that. Or if you're that jealous of having the last say, then cancel this debate and re-enter as Con and I'll take the first frame of rounds 1 - X and you get your holy last say. I don't care. As I've previously said, excellence in argument, not having the last frame, is the winning formula. I've said my last word on any debate I engage: No waivers.

If you mean metal bottles that last for years then yeah, that's fine. If we talk the bottled Evian etc then na, I don't see how overall it's better.

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@dfss9788

I will not flake out on you. Eliminate the stupid waivers of rounds [which violates policy, anyway], and I'll take this. We each argue 3 full rounds, but I would prefer the addition of no new argument in the last [3rd] round. Rebuttal, defense, conclusion only in 3rd round. Those are my offered terms.