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Topic
#33

A Resource Based Economy is the system adopted by all civilisations

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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Better sources
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After 1 vote and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

Type1
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Description

Humans, as I see it, are not fully civilised. We are a type zero civilisation, this implies that we have not learned to use or manage the resources of our planet fully or even wisely and thus all of our currently active socioeconomic systems are primitive and inherently flawed.

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As explained clearly already, no civilisation has, can or ever will be an RBE. It is a bullshit, Communist, anti-civilisation, anti-human, Trojan Horse scam of extremely evil people to exploit the vulnerable. Anyone who defends the RBE is either extremely evil or so ignorant and gullible that they are an imminent danger to everyone around them. There is no confusion over this, only toxic, psychopathic parasites trying to justify their dreams of world domination, make excuses for what they do and muddy the waters and hide as wolves among sheep. And you are one of them, self confessed in the provided forum thread. No tolerance. No excuses.

I could go into extensive further details about the RBE. But I don't need to. I have already completely destroyed my RBE opponents at every turn and they don't have a leg to stand on.

Remind me again, what rights do I have in your RBE? Does love and morality exist in your RBE? How exactly does the RBE gain control of all the world's resources and deal with those who resist? Who decides how to distribute the world's resources? What happens to people who reject the RBE? What evidence is there to support the RBE's claims about human behavior? Where is the history of the RBE debating educated people and winning? Will you dare to answer those questions?

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@Terran

look at the description of the debate from outside here:
https://www.debateart.com/debates

Look at the description, it says "In this context, a civilisation refers to a type one or higher on the Kardashev Scale, not the traditional definition. My position is that all civilisations are Resource Based Economies (as in technocratic socialism)"

No it wasn't. It's about whether Civilisations adopt the RBE. And they don't, past or present. None ever have in recorded history, since it's a new concept. And none ever can in the future. It is a self refuting paradox. This is why no-one has ever or will ever attempt it. The moment they attempt to install it, they die. It's as ridiculous as saying 'All civilisations have adopted the cyanide pill, because it promises you the powers of superman flight'. More importantly, this is a malignant and deceptive attempt at advertising the RBE and trolling for victims. I called it for what it is, and utterly refuted all claims made by my opponent to the point where he even admitted I was right (after calling me silly names like winkle picker). I won, and your single spiteful vote doesn't change that. Let viewers make up their own mind. They now have the information they need to take an informed position against the RBE, and avoid being scammed by it.

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@Terran

The debate wasn't if RBE is good or not but if the civilisations in the venus project all use RBE or not.

Funny how pro gets voted for the better argument. Yet he didn't make a single argument or provide a single shred of evidence to support his claim. He loses by default. To make it worse, his own 2 links refute him and prove what I say, as if the dozens of links and hundreds of videos therein don't make that clear enough. And he even confesses that after doing some research, he has confirmed evidence to what I say. I know more about the RBE than its founder and inner circle hierarchy. Votes don't win arguments. That's a fallacy called Ad Populum. I won this 'debate' in totality. Your RBE is a Trojan Horse that was never meant to work. Its purpose is to lead people astray with Communism/Marxism to disrupt and weaken Western civilisation, and syphon money from the ignorant. On the surface, the RBE is only appealing to the ignorant. Upon investigation, the RBE is only appealing to psychopaths who are so blinded by their obsession with power that they think they have a chance. The RBE is a parasitic ideological virus. Should that virus become an epidemic again, I will destroy it again. For now, it has no power or influence. Just a few minions who troll internet forums desperately looking for gullible prey to fund them. In the RBE, you have no rights or freedoms. Questioning the RBE costs you your life, for the 'sake of the system'. There is no evolution and no progress. And there is no coming back from it, it's a one way trip to oblivion. But it will never happen and you don't have a leg to stand on. I didn't completely destroy your cult when I could have. I left it alive to serve a temporary purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca6lYrutbkA

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@Type1

My mistake, I will fix this later via the admin.

I meant to give conduct to Con and arguments to Pro but I ended up clicking the button for Con that was arguments and not conduct which negated what I gave to Pro.

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@Terran

If that was his plan, explain to me exactly how you know that and show me the proof.

I'm not the one who follows a dead man's plan to become God.

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@Terran

Classifying your "proof" as religious proves that you are a meaningless troglodyte primitive.

Your motives are not what you think they are. Jacque Fresco was one of the most evil people in history.

If you want to know what Anonymous is, as opposed to fantasies and theories about the most mysterious organisation in history, then review the story in my thread about it in the religion section of the forum.

Calling people silly names isn't an argument. It's a confession of losing an argument.

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@DieserDeutscheTyp

The real anonymous is a loosely connected gaggle of hackers and activists with no central ideology or goals. It is not actually a group in the traditional sense, anyone can take up the mantle of anonymous, and there is a wide range of different types of anonymous members. Having no clear agenda or sense of direction, anonymous has accomplished little and will ultimately be inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. This man is either one of it's more delusional members or (more likely) a troll and a total loser.

Edit: Anonymous

Yeah, anonymously definitely won't do anything to defame you since you're not a public figure. Worst case scenario, they will fake your identity to get ahold of your bank account (personally experience: working as a bank teller).

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@Terran

My motives are to counteract the destructive path that humanity is taking. Instead of helping you would rather lie about one of the greatest people in history.

I am not here to hack you, threaten you or censor you. I am here to get the truth out and let people make up their own mind. The only reason you would ever need to fear me, is if your motives are wrong.

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@Type1

I actually believe he has real ties to Anonymous man, I wouldn't want to piss him off too much personally. I disagree with him but I also have my doubts about Jacques Fresco.

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@Terran

Oh bugger off you winkle picker. You don't know the first thing about RBE and you are just pulling 90% of what you say out of your dirty little hole. When you die do you want your entire legacy to be making shitty youtube videos where you claim you can see the future and that Jacque Fresco was a child murderer with dreams of world domination? I enjoy trolling as well, but I do not make it my life's work. You must be some kind of beorgiose clown who inherited enough money to be set for life, that is the only way you could afford to sit here defaming people and making shit up on the internet all day. You are a spoiled child at heart aren't you?

You are dealing with the man who took down your RBE cult. Deal with it. You chose to debate, own the consequences.

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@Type1

I guess you can challenge people, I suppose.

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@Earth

Maybe, but I don't think he should. It might create echo chambers. Something I would prefer however is if there was some form of objective process for determining the winner of a debate that doesn't involve opinions. A voting system is ineffective because you win by appealing to the majority rather than by being correct.

Maybe the dev can add restrictions on who can accept debates

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@Type1

Indeed.

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@Earth

Too bad someone real didn't get to it first.

An interesting debate

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@RationalMadman

I've never heard his voice, if that's him it doesn't even prove anything. In fact, it indicates that he's not the true founder, because why would he make an appearance without hiding his identity? It's not very anonymous of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMAh4JVn5_M

why does he have the exact same voice as the man in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMAh4JVn5_M&t=263s

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@RationalMadman

This guy is not the founder of Anonymous, he is a man with high functioning troll disorder. He is a mega troll that apparently spends all his time trolling on debate sites and making fake anonymous videos on numerous obscure youtube channels. In reality he is probably similar to Bronto in regards to his views and is a very ignorant person parroting the opinions of various retards who know nothing about RBE. If you look at his "refutation" video of RBE it's clear he is a troll, because he literally gets every single thing wrong about how RBE works in deliberately stupid ways. I'll believe this guy is the founder of anonymous when pigs fly and you get laid.

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@Type1

I don't doubt that the founder of Anonymous is allied with trolls and knows the art of trolling in ways you and I are even not knowledgeable of. I wouldn't want to mess too hard with him though. If you think me and Bronto are dangerous you don't know real internet-threatening. Anonymous will literally ruin your life if you piss them off too much.

I am a person who hates both them and illuminati but I see Illuminati as the lesser evil as they actually do what they do for CONTROLLING the bad guys in humanity while Anonymous wants to never be controlled even if the bad guys are on their side.

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@RationalMadman

Do you not see that this man is a troll?

You both hate Illuminati for the same reasons and use that as the reason you support and hate RBE. This is a hilarious debate to watch.

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@Terran

Yes, pro goes first. Thank you for accepting my debate.

I seem to need to wait for my opponents opening argument.

I accepted your debate. I don't see any way to respond. I can only respond in the comments here. This website doesn't appear to function. If necessary, I will make my case in the comments here. Anyone know how to respond in the debate itself?

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@Thoth

Interesting, so you had similar ideas to Jacque before you even heard of him. Judging by your profile you are still young as well, so if what you say is true you are probably a relatively intelligent individual. Do you have any plans regarding the realisation of the system? (we can move this to pm if you prefer)

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@Type1

I suppose that by "Resource Based Economy," you are referring to the political-economic system described on this webpage: https://www.thevenusproject.com/resource-based-economy/

If so, then I am familiar with the concept in that I independently conceived it and have for some time now advocated it as the correct, and perhaps inevitable, system.

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@Thoth

So you know of the RBE. How familiar are you with the concept?

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@Type1

For once, I agree with you.