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(Joke debate) Spaghetti is better than pizza

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Yes, pasta is my favorite food.

Rules:

*this is a joke.

pro has to defend the reasons why pasta is better than pizza

con has to defend why pizza is better than pasta.

Do not worry, this only a joke opinion debate and you can vote for anybody for any reason

Round 1
Pro
Good spaghetti(at least in my taste) is easier to do right when you have the right ingredients. This is okay to say because this debate is all about opinions and is not really a serious debate.

Pasta is healthier than pizza.
Pasta is cheaper than pizza
Pasta has a lower glycemic index
Pasta has longer shelf life.

Con
Perfcon
Conservallectual openly claims to be a conservative, and openly advocates conservative positions. This means that he is arguing in bad faith because pizza is clearly the more conservative option. 

Let me explain, conservatism is about conserving things. Specifically, values and culture. 
Fatima Marquez — a Mexican woman — riveting lived experience shows how food and culture are inexplicably intertwined. One fateful day she went to a Los Cuates food truck located in her American campus, but this food was inauthentic — radically changed for a western pallet — when she ate it she tasted no spice, forever traumatized by the greatest form of cultural violence. Progressive Food. 

So clearly, food is essential for culture, but why is pasta progressive? Well, at its core, pizza has been around almost as long as humanity has.  Academic Quora poster and almolst professional linguist, Sokrat Bega, explains  “Pizza is simply flatbread, therefore should be as old as humans start making bred and no question much older than pasta which is more sophisticated in the making and for sure is invented in later times, no matter what the twisted history says.”

This is a preformative contradiction, and you should vote down Pro. By claiming to be a conservative, but then taking liberal positions, Pro actually is destroying debate. 

Preformative contradictions harms the quality of debate. We end up debating issues such as the resolution, rather than debating the issues that are actually relevant to the instigator's ideology. So vote them down to discourage future abuse.

Preformative contradictions skew the debate in favor of the team running it as there are always things that they can object to, but these issues are usually insignificant. Trying to gain a vote based on their preformative contradictions is abusive. Votes should only be given based on  apriori issues, in round abuse, and occasionally substantive arguments. Vote down pro so that this round does not serve as motivation for the abusive behavior to continue.

When I agreed to this debate by accepting to debate the resolution ‘Spaghetti is better than pizza’ as con with Conservallectual as pro, I entered into a social contract with the affirmation — specifically that we would both debate in good faith with our own ideologies. Vote down pro inorder to uphold social contracts, and by extension society as a whole. 

The alt is for Pro to denounce Pasta and in doing so concede the debate.

Pizza can save Ukrainian children (by causing climate change)
It is a well known fact that Russia fights wars in order to distract from problems at home, and to instill patriotism in a dissatisfied public. Currently the war is in Ukraine, where many people and children are dying in horrible conditions, but this war would be entirely avoidable if only Russia was just a stronger country. 

This is where the Pizza comes in. The greatest problem in Russia is food insecurity due to the short growing seasons in a cold climate. If Russia were to warm up, they would be able to grow food and sustain agriculture erasing the need for wars of distraction. 

Pizza can warm not just Russia, but the entire planet. When we cook pizza we burn hundreds of thousands of tons of wood per year in pizza ovens, creating carbon emissions that warm the planet greatly. If only we were to eat more pizza, we could save Ukraine. 

Round 2
Pro
Perfcon
Conservallectual openly claims to be a conservative, and openly advocates conservative positions. This means that he is arguing in bad faith because pizza is clearly the more conservative option.

Let me explain, conservatism is about conserving things. Specifically, values and culture.
Fatima Marquez — a Mexican woman — riveting lived experience shows how food and culture are inexplicably intertwined. One fateful day she went to a Los Cuates food truck located in her American campus, but this food was inauthentic — radically changed for a western pallet — when she ate it she tasted no spice, forever traumatized by the greatest form of cultural violence. Progressive Food.

So clearly, food is essential for culture, but why is pasta progressive? Well, at its core, pizza has been around almost as long as humanity has.  Academic Quora poster and almolst professional linguist, Sokrat Bega, explains  “Pizza is simply flatbread, therefore should be as old as humans start making bred and no question much older than pasta which is more sophisticated in the making and for sure is invented in later times, no matter what the twisted history says.”

This is a preformative contradiction, and you should vote down Pro. By claiming to be a conservative, but then taking liberal positions, Pro actually is destroying debate.

Preformative contradictions harms the quality of debate. We end up debating issues such as the resolution, rather than debating the issues that are actually relevant to the instigator's ideology. So vote them down to discourage future abuse.

Preformative contradictions skew the debate in favor of the team running it as there are always things that they can object to, but these issues are usually insignificant. Trying to gain a vote based on their preformative contradictions is abusive. Votes should only be given based on  apriori issues, in round abuse, and occasionally substantive arguments. Vote down pro so that this round does not serve as motivation for the abusive behavior to continue.

When I agreed to this debate by accepting to debate the resolution ‘Spaghetti is better than pizza’ as con with Conservallectual as pro, I entered into a social contract with the affirmation — specifically that we would both debate in good faith with our own ideologies. Vote down pro inorder to uphold social contracts, and by extension society as a whole.

The alt is for Pro to denounce Pasta and in doing so concede the debate.
WTF DUDE? Why does my political alignment have anything to do with the food I like? I eat what I eat, there is nothing political about that. Stop putting politics in food.

Pizza can save Ukrainian children (by causing climate change)
It is a well known fact that Russia fights wars in order to distract from problems at home, and to instill patriotism in a dissatisfied public. Currently the war is in Ukraine, where many people and children are dying in horrible conditions, but this war would be entirely avoidable if only Russia was just a stronger country.

This is where the Pizza comes in. The greatest problem in Russia is food insecurity due to the short growing seasons in a cold climate. If Russia were to warm up, they would be able to grow food and sustain agriculture erasing the need for wars of distraction.

Pizza can warm not just Russia, but the entire planet. When we cook pizza we burn hundreds of thousands of tons of wood per year in pizza ovens, creating carbon emissions that warm the planet greatly. If only we were to eat more pizza, we could save Ukraine.
I am convinced you are completely drunk after drinking an entire bottle of vodka. Please go home and sober up. If the climate gets warmer then the pizza will burn and become black and hard.
Con
WTF DUDE? Why does my political alignment have anything to do with the food I like? I eat what I eat, there is nothing political about that. Stop putting politics in food.

This was the only response given to perfcon, and it is entirely inadequate. While it does insult my point, the link is never disputed. Pro simply says there is nothing political about food. Yet, I present an actual link through someone elses lived experience showing how progressive foods cause cultural violence and genocide. Conservatives conserve culture — something which food is undeniably an important part of.

Refusing to engage with the K only serves to strengthen its impact, and to engrain abusive practices into this debate space. To preserve debate, social contracts, and society as a whole you must vote down Pro.  

Then on climate Pro calls me drunk, and the only actual response is: 
If the climate gets warmer then the pizza will burn and become black and hard.
If I debunk this one point then this advantage flows to my side, and I prove that pizza can save Ukrainian children.

This point is untrue for several reasons. The first of which is that pizza is already cooked at high temperatures, hundreds and hundreds of degrees. Heating the external atmosphere will only make it easier to reach peak temperature in an oven. There is no reason to believe that climate change will exceed a few degrees. This means that small owners of pizza joints will save money, so flow an econimic impact to me here as well.

Furthermore, even if all pizza were to become charred this in no way affects the warrant. We do not warm the planet by eating pizza, we warn the planet by cooking pizza. In fact even if Pro were correct about this, it would only serve to heat the atmosphere more as the pizza would create even more smoke and carbon emissions. 

Everyone should vote for me because I prove how Pro is arguing in bad faith, and destroying the debate space as well as debating the resolution which violates the social contract we entered into when we agreed to debate the [individual political beleifs we hold]. Then I prove the impact of Pizza is to save ukrainian children — which essentially went undisputed.

Weigh this against Pro’s impacts — which he admits are subjective. What's more important? Bmi, storage capacity, and your wallet or the lives of Ukranian children?