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You shall continue not in sin. Teaching that growing in grace is permissible is false teaching.

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I'll expound on this topic here.
Many hold the view and teach that once a person is saved, baptized in the name of Christ, baptized into that body , they can or will grow in grace .

Meaning still go on sinning, committing the same transgressions perhaps in less frequent occurrences.
That there will be some differences in reactions to breaking the laws. That there'll be mixed to changed feelings about violating the commandments.

Those that call themselves Christians that have designed all these denominations don't believe they can be holy hence all the denominations and organizations.
I won't say "without sin" for interpretation conflict but no longer sinning, being perfect is not a possibility in this lifetime to and for those that subscribe.

Round 1
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#1
The question is, when someone is saved , born again, will they still sin once born again?

As I heard a preacher say "let the Bible talk!".

1 John 3

"9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Scripture saying whosever that is cannot. Like it's impossible.

Now my main focus will be in Romans 6

We'll start at the first verse.

" What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?"

"2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

God forbids the continuance in sin.

"3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?"

"4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

Pretty straightforward. I'm merely echoing the text. A new sinless life after being raised up versus before dying to sin.  The sin filled life is no more.

It goes on in depth about a new life and the old one dead . Jumping down to verse 15

"15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

This kills the resting easy, finding comfort in the teaching of growing in grace.

This scripture is dealing with no middle ground.

"17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you."

I want to draw attention to the "ye were" part. You were the servants of sin.

"18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness."

Free of sin, no longer connected, tied , bonded, enslaved to , no longer anything to do with it.

"19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness."

That's unto holiness (no sin period).

I think this verse puts a nice bow on everything.

"22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life."

The end result of a holy life is eternal life.

No excuses with the Holy Spirit abiding on the inside.

Hebrews 12

"14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:"

Be ye Holy for I am Holy, that's the book.

Con
#2
Forfeited
Round 2
Pro
#3
I shall rest my case for this turn.
Con
#4
Forfeited
Round 3
Pro
#5
I rest my case. The scripture say what it says.
Con
#6
Forfeited
Round 4
Pro
#7
Amen
Con
#8
Forfeited
Round 5
Pro
#9
And amen. Thank you kindly for your non participation, it served the point.
Con
#10
Forfeited