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Mall

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This Novice II individual is obsessed with the topic "Biological reincarnation is real".

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Novice_II

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Publication date: 09.03.2022 06:38PM
Last updated date: 10.07.2022 11:12AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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Novice_II

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

This individual that has the profile name "Novice II" is obsessed with the debate topic I created.

Like an endless vendetta with a score to settle. You can ask am I going to continue creating these topics which are for everyone. Will I continue to redo the same topic as the same individual continues to participate like there's nothing to top it better with the time spent?

I guess it's one way to measure the obsession.

Round 1

Mall

09.04.2022 11:07AM

Pro

This is all very interesting. I can speculate the reasons behind it whether it's for amusement or for blood lust so to speak trying to rack up numbers.

But in actuality this Novice II character is obsessed with the topic "Biological reincarnation is real".

I just wanted to make sure so I searched in the Google engine and it describes obsession as a continuous preoccupying of the mind with something on an intrusive level to a troubling extent.

This individual fits all the characteristics. The individual continues to fill their attention or preoccupy their mental state continuing to participate uninvited at an intrusive level making it a problem or trouble for giving others the chance to get a crack at it.

I mean we had a debate once on this topic. The sense of constantly entering it again and again, there is none.

It's like there's nothing else to do but to wait on this site all day to see when is that topic coming up again to keep grabbing it.

To prove my point just to see what would happen, while this debate is active, I posted the topic up again.

Low and behold who else but the obvious proved my point?

While this debate is active, the individual does what they do like instinct or something. They sign up to contest the topic again.

You already debated it once. I imagine the same individual signed on to this debate to try and explain what I was saying was invalid in that debate.

But not the topic here . The topic is you are something that fits a particular term just by doing what you're doing.

Very interesting behavior on this site.

Novice_II

09.05.2022 06:44PM

Con

x. Default to con

Pro bears the entire burden of proof for his assertion. Con does not require an argument

x.1 Framework

Pro defines obsession as "a continuous preoccupying of the mind with something on an intrusive level to a troubling extent." Con accepts this definition.

z. Objections: who is "Novice II?"

Who is Novice II? The most similar name I could find while looking through the site is my own username, Novice_II. While we have similar names, however, this does not give credence to this non-existent figure. Unicorns and Horses are similar, yet Horses exist and Unicorns do not. As "Novice II" does not exist, this, unfortunately, discards all of pro's arguments as someone who does not exist in reality cannot be obsessed with anything.

I shall, however, make some counters based on this hypothetical case to show that even if this vague imaginary person did exist, pro has not and could not possibly prove the resolution true.

a. Epistemology

We are aware that epistemology is the investigation of what distinguishes justified belief from opinion. The question of this debate is imperative, is pro conveying a justified belief or a mere unsubstantiated opinion that is insufficient to prove the resolution?
Well, pro has said it himself, obsession is "a continuous preoccupying of the mind with something on an intrusive level to a troubling extent. Pro has not proven that this made-up hypothetical case demonstrates thoughts that are intrusive (intrusive thoughts are unwanted thoughts, images, impulses, or urges that can occur spontaneously or that can be cued by external/internal stimuli) or troubling (causing distress or anxiety). Thus, pro has not upheld his burden of proof, and perhaps epistemologically cannot.

b. Psychology

Obsession is a psychological state. We can't trust any random debater to explain and improve our understanding of these psychological conditions, including myself, talk less of someone who loses 76% of his debates. This is why, unlike my opponent, I bother to cite credible sources. We need to consult psychological authorities for matters as such this. The APA for example (American Psychological Association) examines the particulars of obsession.

n. a persistent thought, idea, image, or impulse that is experienced as intrusive or inappropriate and results in marked anxiety, distress, or discomfort. Obsessions are often described as ego-dystonic in that they are experienced as alien or inconsistent with one’s self and outside one’s control (though this is not necessarily the case in children). Common obsessions include repeated thoughts about contamination, a need to have things in a particular order or sequence, repeated doubts, aggressive or horrific impulses, and sexual imagery. Obsessions can be distinguished from excessive worries about everyday occurrences in that they are not concerned with real-life problems. The response to an obsession is often an effort to ignore or suppress the thought or impulse or to neutralize it by a compulsion. See obsessive-compulsive disorder. —obsessional adj. —obsessive adj.

None of the hallmarks of obsession are accounted for or demonstrated by the instigator who wants us to trust him. Pro speaking about mini-thought experiments he did with this imaginary user does not substantiate any form of obsession either.

c. Propositional burdens

Lastly, the resolution states that "this Novice II individual is obsessed with the topic 'Biological reincarnation is real.'" Whoever this made-up person is, pro has to prove that they are currently obsessed with the topic, and his discussions of various thought experiments he played with himself are in reference to the past, not the present. Even if one was to play pro's game for fun none of what he states indicates anything about a current obsession with anything and thus, pro has not demonstrated his burden of proof.

Conclusion

What do we have overarchingly?

First, Novice II does not exist. You can search for the name and nothing will show for it. There is a person named Novice_II, however, just like a horse is not a unicorn, Novice_II is not Novice II and thus pro is arguing about a figment of his imagination.
Pro can not epistemically prove the obsession of anyone without proving that their thoughts are both intrusive and troubling, and he cannot substantiate this, thus, he can not uphold his burden of proof. Nothing he describes even resembles the APA's signs and particulars of obsession.
Lastly, pro only speaks bout things he did in the past with this imaginary person, which does not prove what the resolution demands, current obsession. Thus, pro's entire case can be discarded on these grounds.

Round 2

Mall

09.06.2022 10:48AM

Pro

Wow, can't even be honest about what you do.

Getting into technicalities taking the light off what you're doing.

See these people have to always evade and derail the matter at hand because they can't refute it .

This individual knows very well that each time I set up this particular debate topic, they accept it.

You guys can see that. You're on this site . Look up the topic "Biological reincarnation is real". See the "profile name" which does exist , which does exist , see the name, Novice II attached.

I'm going to set it up again just to see what happens.

Will this individual be able to help their inclination?

I'll come out and say it. This individual is intellectually dishonest.

This is why in the scriptural debate, they added to scripture lying on the scripture. I can't think it was just plain error anymore.

They derailed this topic just as in the topic "Biological reincarnation is real".

They had to change something in order to make it refutable.

People , do not resort to the straw man fallacy.

Novice_II

09.07.2022 12:45AM

Con

x. Default to con

Pro has dropped all of con's arguments.

z. Objections: "Novice II" does not exist.

Wow, can't even be honest about what you do.

This debate is not about me. I am "Novice_II," not Noivce II. This debate is over this vague person that does not seem to exist on our website or in reality.

You guys can see that. You're on this site . Look up the topic "Biological reincarnation is real". See the "profile name" which does exist , which does exist , see the name, Novice II attached.

Yes, do so. Unfortunately for pro looking this up reveals the name "Novice_II," not "Novice II." Therefore this only shows a further inability to read the English language.

I'll come out and say it. This individual is intellectually dishonest.

It is unclear as to whether this is in reference to me or the imaginary Novice II, but we should assume the latter given that I am debating in perfectly good faith.

a. Epistemology

Dropped. Extend.

b. Psychology

Dropped. Extend.

c. Propositional burdens

Dropped. Extend.

Now, there is not much to respond to from pro.
However, I think it is peculiar that pro has taken the length to argue on this Novice II character who does not even exist, and claim he is obsessed. Pro even claimed that he "can speculate the reasons," for this thought experiment behavior, but also that the "character is obsessed," as a certainty, contradicting himself in his first few sentences. Can he speculate, or is he sure? Who knows. Regardless, all counterpoints have been effectively dropped and pro has not even shown this person exists.

Conclusion

Once again, all of my arguments were dropped by the instigator who continues to argue about this imaginary person "Novice II."

Mall

10.07.2022 11:12AM

Ok. I'll give you guys credit if what happens doesn't happen after I setup this topic again.

Novice_II

10.06.2022 01:03AM

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@Undefeatable

Can you vote on this, do you think?

Novice_II

10.05.2022 08:02PM

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@K_Michael

@BearMan

@Intelligence_06

@Ehyeh

I really need a vote on this debate, this post purposed to get more eyes on it.
I also mentioned some of you hoping you would be able to vote. It is moving towards under a day remaining now.

Novice_II

10.05.2022 09:17AM

I have one day left for this, I really need a vote here.

Novice_II

10.04.2022 08:26AM

Just over two days left, I need a vote on this.

RationalMadman

09.05.2022 02:14AM

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@Mall

That is a hardcore Round 1. Remember that sources get voted on.