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" Be angry, sin not " is not a permission but a first step.

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Many mistake the scripture for permitting anger and I was one of them. It doesn't permit it to remain with a person but in lieu it directs a person in the first stage concerning it.

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Round 1
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Mall
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#1
The scripture states to be angry and sin not . Not necessarily to grant permission of anger but as a first step handling anger.

Like the first step in first aid or first aid itself. It's what is done in handling an injury. But the injury must ultimately be corrected.

So the beginning phase is when there is anger,  at least if not more than that , do not allow sin.

According to the book of Ephesians 4:26 .

“Be ye angry, and sin not" .

Then it continues with the second or next step.

"let not the sun go down upon your wrath".
 
Let's read on. We can stop at verse 26 as it's an easy way to justify what one wants or what one is content with.

"27 Neither give place to the devil.

28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice "

As we read, just multiple stages to take and go through concluding this with keeping anger.

No, don't keep it.


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Whistleblower
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#2
“Be angry, sin not…” 

To me it more of seems like 
‘Have the gun, kill not’


And on the basis of science and psychology we see when a person actually gets angry s/he loses control over his/her senses 

I don’t know whether it’s a permission or not but 
Internally it gives a person false consciousness that ‘at least I didn’t commit a sin’, whereas we know sin in subjective then how do you or I decide that we didn’t commit sin 
For a beggar, begging my not be a sin but at the same time a person who wants to be respected may think begging is a sin to oneself 

And all of the above what’s bad in getting angry if it’s limited why to put so much stress on not being angry, as a person laughs, so he gets angry. 






Round 2
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Mall
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#3
Does the scripture say put it away or permit to keep it?
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Whistleblower
Con
#4
kindly elaborate, what is 'it' here? 
Round 3
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Mall
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#5
Scripture says to let anger , indicating to allow or permit it to be put away, gone away. Not permitting or letting it remain present, existent with you but away from you.

So when we read to be angry, it's actually not to keep it with you per se. 
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Whistleblower
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#6
No! they do permit - because they are also aware that if they bluntly say not to be angry to their followers - they would stop following them. They knew anger is a human quality. If you listen to John Medina he says anything excessive whether happiness or anger is not good. Person who is extremely happy is equivalent to who is extremely stressed.  So anger is good subject  to its nor to excessive.  

As I said before - ' Have the gun, kill not' - actually permits you to kill because at the back of your mind I would think then why you gave the gun. Now killing for defense is different from killing for a wrong purpose. So is with sin, an action may not be a sin for me but a sin for you.