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#3935

The education system sucks

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 2 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

YouFound_Lxam

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Publication date: 12.06.2022 01:40AM
Last updated date: 01.05.2023 05:06AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 2,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

YouFound_Lxam

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The education system in the U.S is failing us and does not teach kids for the future but rather to be a obedient puppet that works and listen and does nothing else

Round 1

CitifiedDeer170

12.06.2022 02:27AM

Pro

1. school does not teach you about life and does not matter in the long term. My evidence is that other personnel experiences. 1a. Many people that i know and don´t know said that getting A´s in classes was easy and they really studied or did anything of that sorts which not only did not show them that studying is not important but that they did not learn how to study. They did so good in grades wise but did not know how to apply it to life they also didn't remember after the test which was a completely and utterly use of time if they can´t apply it to their life but do not remember it. so how did they end up doing in college Not good they first did not know how to study so now when they actually had to it was hard to and they now didn't have to completely rely on memory. 2a. if you completely rely on memory it will be hard to apply the material in your everyday life. This would make it hard to get jobs which is most of Americans main source of income.

2. School does not teach you have to be creative and use your mind but rather use memory. In a time where you need creativity and be innovative.
We are thought to just listen and be obedient which was meant for a factory worker. You are not meant or taught to be creative and make new ideas in school instead your are meant to do Homework, assignments, projects exactly how the teacher intended you can´t do other ideas or ¨your doing it wrong¨ supposedly when instead we should be giving a broad topic and be able to expanded on that . You are shunned from being creative and are meant to be obedient.

3. common core (math). Common core was meant to revolutionize how math was taught to give the U.S a advantage but instead backfired since if you grade every student on all the same curriculum you will not calculate smartness because you are not allowing a student to learn at their own pace so they will never learn anything new.

YouFound_Lxam

12.06.2022 02:54AM

Con

I asked for definitions on said subject, but since Pro has failed to do so, I will be going off of my own definitions.

1. School

Merriam Webster defines school as:

"an organization that provides instruction: such as

: an institution for the teaching of children

: COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY

c(1)

: a group of scholars and teachers pursuing knowledge together that with similar groups constituted a medieval university

(2)

: one of the four faculties of a medieval university

(3)

: an institution for specialized higher education often associated with a university"

School Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

2. Mathematics

Merriam Webster defines mathematics as:

"the science of numbers and their operations (see OPERATION sense 5), interrelations, combinations, generalizations, and abstractions and of space (see SPACE entry 1 sense 7) configurations and their structure, measurement, transformations, and generalizations"

Mathematics Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

1. school does not teach you about life and does not matter in the long term.

This is Pro's first claim, therefore if I prove that school teaches any aspect of life or I prove that school helps people in the long term, then Pro's first argument is False.

A good head start for learning
A great chance to develop social skills.
Exposure to enhance communication skills.
Putting students on a path of lifelong learning

How School Education Influence Your life - 6 Aspects | AskEducareer

. School does not teach you have to be creative and use your mind but rather use memory. In a time where you need creativity and be innovative.

Again, if I prove school teaches you to be creative in any way, then Pros, argument is wrong.

1. Start student notebooks for ideas in the wild

2. Explore new inspiration sources together

3. Research other makers during class.

Creative.

I have no more room for this argument. I will continue after Pro's response.

Round 2

CitifiedDeer170

12.06.2022 04:52AM

Pro

I have said the education system is not necessarily school I did not say that school entirely is bad but a majority of it you don ´ t learn much. Most of the article's points were about socializing when many of my points were about creativity and memory. Yeah there are some good parts about school but those negatives outweigh the benefits by a lot. Teachers have the most important job as they are building our future but it's hard to when your wage as a teacher sucks. They get underpaid and yet we put one of the most important jobs with them. And many of your creativity points don ´ t necessarily talk about school a lot and these are like the top of the top examples look at the average schools and they are mainly identical.

Yet after all those points you made you never once talked about common core. What happened there in your next argument I would love to see you talk about common core

YouFound_Lxam

12.06.2022 05:06AM

Con

First of all, Pro I would like to point out, that my first argument would have been longer if not for the word limit on this debate, so maybe next time fix that.

Pro has not provided much of a counter argument; they have only stated what has been said.

Most of the article's points were about socializing when many of my points were about creativity and memory.

Let's define creativity and memory:

Creativity

Merriam Webster defines creativity as:

"the ability to create

her artistic creativity

: the quality of being creative"

Memory

Merriam Webster defines memory as:

" the power or process of reproducing or recalling what has been learned and retained especially through associative mechanisms

began to lose his memory as he grew older

: the store of things learned and retained from an organism's activity or experience as evidenced by modification of structure or behavior or by recall and recognition

has a good memory for faces"

My points:

A good head start for learning
A great chance to develop social skills.
Exposure to enhance communication skills.
Putting students on a path of lifelong learning

Learning social skills, and communication skills, helps with creativity and memory.

I have said the education system is not necessarily school

Same thing. The U.S. education system is school.

School is just another name for it.

And look Pro, I would love to elaborate more, but I can't because of your choice of settings for this debate. If you want to start a new debate, and make the settings more tolerable, then I would happily accept.

I do have more arguments, but not enough space to write them in.

Thank you.

YouFound_Lxam

12.09.2022 02:15AM

someone want to vote?

Intelligence_06

12.07.2022 12:52AM

"rather to be a obedient puppet that works and listen"

Except this is the future many people needs. Unless you argue for that unemployment is somehow superior to having a job in the factory.

YouFound_Lxam

12.06.2022 04:36AM

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@CitifiedDeer170

Pro, please add more definitions.

YouFound_Lxam

12.06.2022 01:58AM

lol

Intelligence_06

12.06.2022 01:57AM

Sure it sucks something, namely the dust. I mean, what is a school without an employed janitor?

YouFound_Lxam

12.06.2022 01:53AM

Please provide definitions, so I can further understand what you mean by, "the education system sucks"

Thank you.

Sir.Lancelot

12.26.2022 08:46PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

The resolution makes this difficult to win as Pro.

There are certainly relevant points by Pro, such as mentioning how school doesn’t necessarily teach skills that are valuable or how teachers are underpaid, but the evidence of these claims is only supported by anecdotes. Pro doesn’t provide other means of evidence to support this.

Con refuted quite a few of these claims by proving that his argument aligned with the proper definition and provided links to source his evidence.

Pro’s grammar was semi-okay, but it could use more commas to make it more legible. Pro also mispells a few words. Con’s grammar and punctuation was 100% readable and spot-on for each of the rounds.

The two were mutually respectful, so it’s a tie on conduct.

K_Michael

12.19.2022 06:54AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

This was a subpar debate for many reasons, but I think I can still evaluate it within its own framework.

ARGUMENTS

Pro points toward a lack of focus on creativity and innovation in favor of rote memorization and obedience. Con links examples of creativity in classrooms. Pro brings up that Con never addressed Common Core, and it remains that way.

Based on the definitions used in this debate, education doesn't strictly entail creativity and innovation, nor memorization and obedience. Neither side makes arguments about what it means for education to 'fail us' or how to evaluate that. Given this, the arguments made don't really ever actually address the topic, so I default to the Burden of Proof. Pro, by instigation, assumes BoP. Furthermore the argument of lack of creativity WAS countered.

Arguments to Con.

SOURCES

Con gives definitions and links articles. Given the constraints on character limits, I deem that this was an adequate integration into the arguments and made a significant effect on the debate overall

Sources to Con

CONDUCT

This isn't particularly important but Con complained several times about the character limit. This is annoying. It is your responsibility in accepting the debate to evaluate the debate parameters and make sure they are acceptable. If there is a problem, it should be addressed and fixed before you accept. This is like agreeing to fight someone with your hands tied behind your back then complaining that the fight isn't fair. You have to live with the constraints you give yourself.

Conduct to Pro