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Wylted has reached the peak of debating

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WyIted
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People seem to think Wylted’s skill has progressively declined, but I have a different working theory.

Wylted’s debate skill is currently at its highest form of development. I have strong reasons supporting this conclusion.

Definitions:
Peak- The point at which it is at its strongest, most successful, or most fully developed.

Round 1
Pro
Wylted has been putting zero effort into and forfeiting debates, as well as namely trolling. The major belief is that Wylted has gotten "worse," and RM points this out.:

"You are not evolved enough, Wylted, you let yourself stagnate. You actually have probably been the single most declining debater of the DDO-to-DART's history, I've never seen someone go from as good as you used to be to as dogshit as you are now.
I pity you, I worry for you. I don't type this to hurt you, I type this to talk down to you as you talk down to me except what I am saying is really true. Try harder, put more heart into this shit. Be the Wylted who shows up to a debate and makes me shake in my fucking chair, don't be the Wylted who I laugh at as he barely can form a coherent argument and forfeits."
What this implies is that Wylted used to be good but is now at his weakest. I have an alternate theory for this.

  1. Wylted is too good.
He debated against a noob, but his arguments for anarchism would still present a challenge for some of the more experienced users on this site.

The return to primitive through revolutionary aspects are the only solution to industrialization. I can’t go into detail about how to achieve this because of site rules, but great changes can be made from revolutionary forces of a small segment of society. Returning to the primitive state of humanity would fix the above listed problems and give us all better lives, as well as better lives for animals and the Earth and future generations.

2. Wylted has plateaud. 
Putting in zero effort and frequently forfeiting debates doesn't indicate that one has gotten worse at debate, it only demonstrates that they've grown lazier and complacent. 
Unless Wylted is senile or brain-damaged, he didn't magically become trash at debating compared to how skilled he was a year ago. When people have devoted enough time to a craft, it is natural for them to grow bored and apathetic, especially if the competition has become too predictable. This is known as the burn-out period which is generally a sign that someone has reached the limits of their potential. It is at this point they stagnate.

While it may be true that spending time away from debating seriously, Wylted has grown rusty. (This means absolutely nothing.)
Muscles atrophy through lack of use. 
  • If an average joe starts working out to become a professional power-lifter, it will take years for them to advance to this stage.
  • If a powerlifter gets lazy and their inactivity shrinks their muscles that they digress back to average joe, it will only take a few weeks to a few months of lifting to re-attain their former strength.
This is Muscle Memory. Debating is like riding a bike. 

3. Wylted is trolling us.
Just observe Wylted's first post in his debate against Public-Choice. The word structure alone tells you he can still defeat at least 90% of the users on this site if he was actively trying to win. Assuming he didn't plagiarize his argument.:

Conclusion:
  • Wylted has gotten lazier and more complacent, not worse.
  • Wylted is trying to make everyone underestimate him, so that he can destroy everyone when they're off-guard and not expecting him to return or make a comeback. In other words, this is the most elaborate and subtle trolling scheme yet.
Con
I'm  using voice to text because I'm very limited time and then I'll do some light editing so hopefully this turns out fine. Forgive me if this is rambling 

Resolution


Pro is arguing that I'm better at debating now than I ever have been regardless of whether I'm able to actually display that in debates or not.

Memory

The longer you spend away from the topic the more you forget. Since topics seem to repeat I have in actuality lost the knowledge I need to debate better than I could in the past. 

I prefer novel topics and I use novel arguments which is one of the reasons why it was tough to beat me . Weird arguments catch people off guard.

So what does this have to do with memory. 

At that time I I did have more time on my hands and I had a lot less direction in life so I would just dive into whatever conspiracy theory caught my eye. I would seek out weird arguments so at any one time I could be studying how Hitler was fake and Kermit Roosevelt was actually an actor playing the part of Him, while also studying nuclear weapons being fake.

I was taking all these weird positions and deep diving into them. These surprise arguments aren't doable to the nature of the internet now as well as constraints on my time.I don't possess that advantage now where I can look at 100 different things keep them all in mind at once and debate them succinctly.

 we also have longer term memory. Like I said I was I was studying a lot of subjects then now a lot of my time spent is working or or studying non debate things. there's no time to study  other than some of the philosophical text I've been reading lately.

Long-term memory is an issue like a lot of people know that it's far as seeing a doctor is concerned if you have like some sort of rare disease you know if you get yourself some 60-year-old experienced doctor sure if you have like a common disease they'll treat you better you're more likely to survive I assume with a heart attack. But every time I hear one of these cases where somebody had a rare disease and they couldn't figure out what the hell it was and it finally gets discovered. it's discovered because they just happened to visit a young doctor fresh out of medical school. The reason being is cuz even though their practical knowledge is probably lower than an experienced doctor their theoretical knowledge is significantly better. 

This means that they have advantages that will diminish with time. The further it is since you studied the textbooks  the more you forget what is in them. any sort of common argument you were to give me now if I had to give you a rebuttal for it is going to be weaker now than perhaps ever if it's one of those issues.

That means when it comes to things like political debates or you know economic debates or religious debates that are currently not having anything to do with what I'm currently reading I'm going to have a really difficult time duplicating those arguments and doing them as well as I used to.

Bipolar disorder

And another issue as far as the creativity is concerned so we got depth of knowledge you know when you haven't touched knowledge in a while it goes away and we got the working memory thing from the last argument going as well as the adaptive knowledge the working memory doesn't have as much information and it which means I can't argue as well and I certainly can't argue them more novel things which were the things that made it tougher for people to argue against me in the past.

I believe I have bipolar disorder okay my dad had bipolar disorder I have symptoms of it where I go on these hypomanic phases. I would say binges I got tons of energy like I'll go like three or four months where I only need like 2 hours of sleep a night and it's gives me a lot of creativity in those hypomanic episodes. They they are followed by a bunch of long long down times where I'm almost catatonic I can't move.

So the benefits of bipolar disorder would be the long creative verse the 3-month verse of or flash of creativity and insight. During these times you know I'm not fully manic so I'm not mad or crazy at the time but I do have these weird connections in my head that are taking place and I'm saying enough to put them down on paper and make them look really good these connections might not be available to me or they're definitely not available to me when I'm not in a hypomanic episode. No I haven't been formally diagnosed with bipolar but it is something I talk to my therapist about and I've asked them not to diagnose me with it and to also not try to send me to a psychiatrist they've they've tried to send me to psychiatrist in the past I don't want to medicate for bipolar.

So that's why I don't have like an official diagnosis if I did get official diagnosis I still wouldn't see a psychiatrist and Medicaid for it. The reason being is cuz the drugs they give you for bipolar lithium they can end up giving you what's called the lithium shakes. I enjoy playing pool and I don't think I could actually play pool as well if I started getting these lithium shake.

That might seem Petty or not a big deal that my pool game would get worse. But this is important to me for whatever reason. I do think that in granted I've thought this a lot of times and it came back to bite me an ass but I think I've figured out some coping mechanisms where I'm less likely to become hypomanic. The election may have pushed me close to it because once you know I start losing sleep or fighting hard for something I do increase my chances of getting into one he's three months episodes I noticed or sometimes if I start pushing hard at work like I decided to do 100 hour weeks then my body at first will get be really tired and then I would just push me into a hypomanic episode and then boom I'm good for three or four months working 100 hour weeks.

Now as I say I feel like I've it conquered it to a large extent because I've noticed what types of thought patterns can bring on an episode. It's possible those are merely thought patterns that precede another episode and not bring them on but I think in large part they they help bring on the hypomanic episodes and if you can avoid the hypomanic episodes generally you can also avoid the depressed episodes that follow. I guess I don't have any proof I haven't heard read the research on it but I believe that cutting back a lot on carbs can reduce my chances of becoming hypomantic so I've got back on carbs a lot. This of course means that I am less likely that some hypomanic and have the advantages associated with hypomania

I am also currently not hypomanic so there's an argument for the fact that I cannot be at my peak ability at the moment

Rebuttals

Wylted is too good

Probings of a debate for my past that's part of the past where we can say hey maybe I was at my peak done but I'm not now. Ultimately what what I did though was I kind of took some shortcuts that debate as I'm rereading it that I see.

For example any of you that when I click on the debate he's referencing and take an actual look at it you'll see it kind of what I did. I noticed that some people that went a lot of debates what they'll do is they'll just almost kind of plagiarize and get away with it and they can I guess legally get away with it because you're just commenting on another person's work but it's still not really your own thoughts.

So what did I do I took arguments made by Theodore kaczynski against the point my opponent was trying to make and I pretty much copy paste them all the way down the debate while adding enough commentary to make the arguments fit the debate as well as to make enough commentary to not get accused of plagiarism. However if you can take a look at it I guess I could do debates like that right now but that that wouldn't make me in my prime because it's it's easier to run over that sort of thing then it is for somebody that actually have a well thought out philosophy of their own.

Now why did the debate looks so good. I'll tell you why it's because I a copy and pasted theater krasinski's words Theodore krasinski of course is a genius there is probably one out every 10,000 people that smart and that might be even more rare than that to see that kind of genius I believe Theodore Kentucky is probably like a good 10 IQ points higher than me the more importantly it's not a good testament to any sort of skill in that debate because I copy and paste it and added commentary. I suggest maybe if you're bad at debate and you want to do a higher level debate like that you could do a similar thing take if you want to argue some sort of mealism take a book by niche and then just copy and paste this s***.

Rebuttal 2 Wylted has plateaud.

I largely agree with a lot of what pro says here. However it doesn't really support his case because we're arguing about whether I've peaked. Basically whether I'm at the top of my game right now and pro brings up some things that prove that I'm not you mentioned being Rusty well that would make me not top my game and he can say that I can knock off the rush relatively quickly but that doesn't negate the fact that I am Rusty currently and we are debating my current level.

Rebuttal 3 trolling

I hate them break it to pro about that the baby's referencing in the part three of his arguments. The problem is that the debate is referencing I use chat GPT.  I basically plagiarized

So ultimately this third argument is not an example of anything I did and should be dismissed out right because of the use of chat GPT the fake links etc..

Conclusions

Ultimately while I can admit that I'm extremely tough to beat if I try my hardest, that in no way shape or form would mean that I am at my peak.

Round 2
Pro
This line represents the 'peak' I'm referring to. But there are three stages.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Beginning. (2021)                                                                                                             Middle. (2022)                                                                                                                                           Current.


The 'Current' label demonstrates the ending of Wylted's debating peak, but still technically his peak regardless. It's this time when someone plateaus like I pointed out in the previous round which Wylted himself acknowledges. He may not be as good at the beginning of this peak (2021), but it's still within the parameters of the peak. 

The longer you spend away from the topic the more you forget. Since topics seem to repeat I have in actuality lost the knowledge I need to debate better than I could in the past. 

I prefer novel topics and I use novel arguments which is one of the reasons why it was tough to beat me . Weird arguments catch people off guard.

So what does this have to do with memory. 

At that time I I did have more time on my hands and I had a lot less direction in life so I would just dive into whatever conspiracy theory caught my eye. I would seek out weird arguments so at any one time I could be studying how Hitler was fake and Kermit Roosevelt was actually an actor playing the part of Him, while also studying nuclear weapons being fake.

I was taking all these weird positions and deep diving into them. These surprise arguments aren't doable to the nature of the internet now as well as constraints on my time.I don't possess that advantage now where I can look at 100 different things keep them all in mind at once and debate them succinctly.

 we also have longer term memory. Like I said I was I was studying a lot of subjects then now a lot of my time spent is working or or studying non debate things. there's no time to study  other than some of the philosophical text I've been reading lately.

Long-term memory is an issue like a lot of people know that it's far as seeing a doctor is concerned if you have like some sort of rare disease you know if you get yourself some 60-year-old experienced doctor sure if you have like a common disease they'll treat you better you're more likely to survive I assume with a heart attack. But every time I hear one of these cases where somebody had a rare disease and they couldn't figure out what the hell it was and it finally gets discovered. it's discovered because they just happened to visit a young doctor fresh out of medical school. The reason being is cuz even though their practical knowledge is probably lower than an experienced doctor their theoretical knowledge is significantly better. 

It's true that overtime, we lose the information we retained. This isn't an issue with the memory getting worse, this is the memory creating gaps by removing useless information to make room for new memories. Sometimes, this information gets stored subconsciously. So Wylted's ability to research + observing the information he already looked at once would be re-learned much quicker than someone googling it for the first time.

That might seem Petty or not a big deal that my pool game would get worse. But this is important to me for whatever reason. I do think that in granted I've thought this a lot of times and it came back to bite me an ass but I think I've figured out some coping mechanisms where I'm less likely to become hypomanic. The election may have pushed me close to it because once you know I start losing sleep or fighting hard for something I do increase my chances of getting into one he's three months episodes I noticed or sometimes if I start pushing hard at work like I decided to do 100 hour weeks then my body at first will get be really tired and then I would just push me into a hypomanic episode and then boom I'm good for three or four months working 100 hour weeks.

Now as I say I feel like I've it conquered it to a large extent because I've noticed what types of thought patterns can bring on an episode. It's possible those are merely thought patterns that precede another episode and not bring them on but I think in large part they they help bring on the hypomanic episodes and if you can avoid the hypomanic episodes generally you can also avoid the depressed episodes that follow. I guess I don't have any proof I haven't heard read the research on it but I believe that cutting back a lot on carbs can reduce my chances of becoming hypomantic so I've got back on carbs a lot. This of course means that I am less likely that some hypomanic and have the advantages associated with hypomania

I am also currently not hypomanic so there's an argument for the fact that I cannot be at my peak ability at the moment

Rebuttals

Wylted is too good

Probings of a debate for my past that's part of the past where we can say hey maybe I was at my peak done but I'm not now. Ultimately what what I did though was I kind of took some shortcuts that debate as I'm rereading it that I see.

For example any of you that when I click on the debate he's referencing and take an actual look at it you'll see it kind of what I did. I noticed that some people that went a lot of debates what they'll do is they'll just almost kind of plagiarize and get away with it and they can I guess legally get away with it because you're just commenting on another person's work but it's still not really your own thoughts.

So what did I do I took arguments made by Theodore kaczynski against the point my opponent was trying to make and I pretty much copy paste them all the way down the debate while adding enough commentary to make the arguments fit the debate as well as to make enough commentary to not get accused of plagiarism. However if you can take a look at it I guess I could do debates like that right now but that that wouldn't make me in my prime because it's it's easier to run over that sort of thing then it is for somebody that actually have a well thought out philosophy of their own.

Now why did the debate looks so good. I'll tell you why it's because I a copy and pasted theater krasinski's words Theodore krasinski of course is a genius there is probably one out every 10,000 people that smart and that might be even more rare than that to see that kind of genius I believe Theodore Kentucky is probably like a good 10 IQ points higher than me the more importantly it's not a good testament to any sort of skill in that debate because I copy and paste it and added commentary. I suggest maybe if you're bad at debate and you want to do a higher level debate like that you could do a similar thing take if you want to argue some sort of mealism take a book by niche and then just copy and paste this s***.

Rebuttal 2 Wylted has plateaud.

I largely agree with a lot of what pro says here. However it doesn't really support his case because we're arguing about whether I've peaked. Basically whether I'm at the top of my game right now and pro brings up some things that prove that I'm not you mentioned being Rusty well that would make me not top my game and he can say that I can knock off the rush relatively quickly but that doesn't negate the fact that I am Rusty currently and we are debating my current level.
Overall, Wylted is good because of his skill and overall experience. Skill doesn't = Performance. 

You can still be at the height of your career as a talented athlete even if your head isn't in the game because of external factors. But the skill is there, whether active or inactive.
Con
Just a warning I am using voice to text when doing this round also I just for purposes of speed and that's going to affect the readability of this round.

This is also going to be somewhat a stream of consciousness with some formatting. I also am refusing to take more than 30 seconds to edit this round. 

Peek

As far as the beginning of my peak is concerned it wouldn't have been 2021. I don't think I've debated well since at least 2018. This is what rational madman was talking about he wasn't talking about my earlier debates on dart but earlier debates on debate.org.

On debate.org I was competitive with the best debaters on that site which are significantly better than the best frequent debaters on this site. So you're not really going to find a debate on this particular website where you see me performing my best.

So if sir Lancelot is saying my peak began in 2021 and that my skills aren't too much different than in 2021 I would have to agree. The problem is of significantly better in 2016 and prior to that. My debate sucked in 2021 and all the years have followed I think my best debate on this site was probably against White flame under the username singularity and I wouldn't say that that's even my best even though it's not so far from it that I could have won the debate had I done better.

Muscle memory

Sir Lancelot brings up a type of muscle memory. Except I guess in this instance it would be brain memory even though that doesn't sound right where you can easily replenish a skill that is Rusty.

What is ignoring is that well that is true once you hit 30 years old you start losing IQ points every single year I'm currently 40 years old so that's 10 years of diminishing IQ diminishing creativity and possibly diminishing sex drive which is important because of sexual transmutation used for debate, which we won't get into now.

Dropped arguments

My appointment has dropped several arguments some I can't even remember at the moment. For example he's dropped the argument about the creeping anxiety and fear of looking at rebuttals causing me to use psychological avoidance mechanisms. He has dropped the argument that creativity and IQ diminishes with age. I don't feel like he's sufficiently responded to my argument about how many novel arguments I have in my head as of recent that could be utilized for surprise attacks in debate.

Conclusion

I think what's key for the judges in this debate is to realize the two things the timeline is very important when is he think my peak was when was it actually I'd say my peak was around 2015-2016 when I was still debating on debate.org and one of the top four debaters in a much more competitive and tough environment. My Pete wouldn't be in 2021 like he imagines.

I think judges surprised keep in mind too that he just can't respond to certain arguments such as a drop documents I brought up then his entire case for restaurant a type of muscle memory for the brain. I want to deny that sort of muscle memory for the brain exists but I will deny that you ever regain all that knowledge back when she start dipping back into the well again.