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The Trinity doesn't exist in the Bible


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My first debate so I will apologize now for informal terminology.

Terms: Trinity will be defined as Catholic Dogma as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost(Spirit), three in one, co-equal, co-eternal, co-existent. All three persons in on God, but all distinct from the other.

My position will be that there is no such thing as the Trinity in the Bible.

You may use any reference you want.

If you need to change terms, then please message me.

Round 1
This will be a quick 2 round debate to say if the Trinitny exists in the Bible or not.

Thanks Lxam for being my contender!

All Bible passages used will be KJV for me.

To define the Trinity would be 3 persons in one God.  Each person is co-eternal, co-equal, and co-existent.  One is not more powerful than the other.  One is not older than the other.  One does not know more or less than the other.  They all have equal strength, power, age, knowledge and substance.

My position is simply that the Trinity does not exist in the Bible.  First, the word Trinity is not in the Bible.  It was invented about 100 years after the bible was compiled.

Second, there is no term of God the Son in the bible either.  Again, that was fabricated afterwards.  

The Trinity came into existence by the hands of evil men.  Peter warned about them in his second epistle.  The book of Jude was almost entirely about evil doctrines creeping into the church.  These people started corrupting the truth by integrating the pagan customs of the time from kissing statues to burning candles.  This was done for the sake of tithes and offering.  The more people you get to church, the more you should get in the offering plate.  So the “church” started filling up with pagan rituals, practices and Gods.  The God thing had to be explained away in order to appease the true followers and the pagan people at the same time.  Hence the doctrine of the Trinity.  Keep in mind only 3% of the population at the time could read, so there was almost nobody in these churches that could refer back to any writings and state that the bishop was wrong for allowing this.  Things slowly turned into more and more doctrine chaos until Constantine the great stepped onto the scene.  He was an “ecumenical” man.  He used generalizations for God and religion.  One thing he did was to make paganism illegal and “Christianity” the only religion to be followed.  This Christianity was so far gone from the original principles the apostles had taught, so I will now call this church the catholic church.  The catholic church now had all religious power in the Roman empire.  They had the ability to crush the opposition including real Christians.  They decided to seal the deal by having a council known as the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.  This council finalized the doctrine of the Trinity with evil minds and evil kings, establishing the catholic creed: (

We believe in one God,
    the Father, the Almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    and of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.

This was the second to last brick to the Trinitarian doctrine.  The last is the council of Constantinople where they finally “realized” that the Holy Ghost should be included.

Ah!  The final brick in the proverbial wall of Trinitarian doctrine.

Now we know that the Trinitarian doctrine didn't come from the Bible, let’s look at some biblical passages that really raises some questions about the validity of the Trinity.

How can one be given by the other?

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Who has more authority to send and to give?  Does the Father own the Son so that he can call him "His"?
Also, if the Son is co-eternal, how is he begotten or made?

How can a word against the Son be forgiven but against the Holy Ghost never be forgiven?  Does the Holy Ghost have a mean temper that the Son does not?

Mathew 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come

Why was Jesus praying to God in the Garden?  Shouldn't he pray to himself?  How is it that he would have a different will than the Father?  A little Psychosis going on here.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

How is it that Jesus will be subject to the Father in the end?  Is it really that "big daddy" does call all the shots?

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Who gets to sit upon the Throne?  Are they playing musical chairs?

Revelation 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

How is the Holy Ghost the father and the "Father"?  Maybe we should do a paternity test.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

How is the Father the only Savior and not Jesus?  Hmmm . . . Sounds like a good plot to a B-action movie.  Son wants the power but Father doesn't give it.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior. 

Why does the Son not know of certain things and the Father does, if they are co-equal? 

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

If the trinity is co-equal, why is the father greater than the son? 

John 14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 

Hmmm. . . Looks like Jesus didn’t even believe in the Trinity!

Round 2