"I used the term " Fetus " Because you using Baby in this situation is dishonest, A baby is defined as " a very young child, especially one newly or recently born. " Meaning, that a fetus in the womb cannot be called a baby, but rather, as i have consistently called it, a fetus."
Really it's just semantics. It's not a big deal. Now calling it dishonest is a fallacy of accusation. At some point you would agree what a woman is pregnant with is a baby. You're just isolating a specific stage in the pregnancy process. Furthermore you didn't even ask how I'm defining the word baby. We can be using the same definition, but have our preference of semantics.
You define baby as "very young child, especially one newly or recently born." So according to this definition, a moment or an hour before birth in that womb is not a baby according to the definition. Although the physical resemblance would be identical, it's not a baby prebirth, but just after.
I wonder if it's just half a baby when half the body is delivered during the process of delivery. It would of been nice for you to challenge these counter points. But nevertheless, the readers can get something out of it .
The definition you're using doesn't really make sense of reality. What is the other half of that body? Remember, it's one whole body. It's identical just before and right after birth and your definition is conveying two different forms of beings/organisms.
This definition much like the your position doesn't appear to be well thought out.
If there are female readers that have experience or know of others in conversation with women 8-9 months pregnant, do they say I'm carrying a baby or the baby is due next week, next month?
Reevaluate your information.
"To your final question, YES if my brain wasn't able to deploy a conscious experience, then it would be completely fine to kill me because the part of human life we value is gone. "
This wasn't what the question was asking. See you went with a specific scenario where the question asked in general.
This was the question.
"Wouldn't it then be ok to terminate you once you're not deploying conscious experience as you put it?"
I'm asking generally meaning I didn't ask would it be ok to terminate you once you're not deploying conscious experience DUE TO THIS OR DUE TO THAT?
YOU ADDED the "DUE TO" part. You have to do that because you couldn't answer in general. I already demonstrated once you did that , you'd be refuted.
That question didn't ask about "if your brain wasn't able to". Who said you wouldn't be able to again? It was kind of sly of you to add that in . You brought in the "no hope" and " pretty much slowing dying, withering away" scenario.
You lose conscious experience in a coma that you can recover from. You lose conscious experience when you faint, sleep, receiving anesthesia, when you get knocked out from a fight, from nearly drowning in water. See you had to point out a specific scenario, particularly one where your own a death bed in order to still be arguing sound.
If I'm on a death bed, what difference does it make? I'm dying, pull the plug.
But you have to have a response to all the other possible scenarios because the question was in general about just losing conscious experience period. You conveniently avoided that because of the inconsistency that make your position fall apart and nullify it. All the other scenarios aren't necessarily an event where life is on the way out. This is why medical professionals attempt to resuscitate.
So because you didn't exactly answer the question as just yes period but said yes "IF", your answer is really NO except for the " IF "part.
So putting the exception aside, it would not be ok to terminate your life when you lose conscious experience. We already have inconsistency. Why would it not be ok for you but ok for other beings that would be in the same state as you?
You've nullified your own position.
"We say murder is BAD because it causes SUFFERING, and when one doest have the brain capacity to SUFFER then there is nothing wrong with killing them."
This too is erroneous. Don't ever go into society spreading this fallacious talking point. Murder is not based on the ability to suffer. If I kill someone unnecessarily, unjustly and deliberately in their sleep, experienced no suffering at all, it's still murder.
You have a very thin position on what is ok and not and you've contradicted yourself with it. I've demonstrated that.
You need more of an intricate basis rather than such a simplistic standard. It's too broad and it was how I was able to expose your contradiction between abortion and murder.
I understand Fred Hampton was murdered in his sleep. He experienced no consciousness from being drugged. Although the powers that be at the time ruled the in incident the other way. No different with the powers that be at the time of slavery ruling that just .
Point is don't think I can just kill someone unjustly that will not suffer from it all of the sudden make it just. I will be facing criminal prosecution.
To wrap all this up with a nice ribbon on it, the opposing side negated their position, rejected their own position, has falsified abortion being ok not only just after 20 weeks but prior by their own standard it wouldn't be ok to terminate their life due to no conscious experience, the same rule negates "no conscious experience" argument before 20 weeks in life development.
The person you voted for admitted that their position wasn't clear but it was clear to the voters. How many of you support abortion or political correct "pro-choice"?