Instigator / Pro
14
1524
rating
53
debates
75.47%
won
Topic
#4756

(TRT) Cultural appropriation is harmful and should be actively discouraged.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
0
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

Bella3sp
Judges
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
4 debates / 20 votes
No vote
whiteflame's avatar
whiteflame
27 debates / 196 votes
Voted
Lemming's avatar
Lemming
6 debates / 38 votes
Voted
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
20,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Judges
Contender / Con
8
1702
rating
567
debates
68.17%
won
Description

This debate is on-balance.

Cultural appropriation:
the unacknowledged or inappropriate adoption of the customs, practices, ideas, etc. of one people or society by members of another and typically more dominant people or society.
https://languages.oup.com/google-dictionary-en/

Harmful:
of a kind likely to be damaging : INJURIOUS
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/harmful

Discourage:
: to deprive of courage or confidence : DISHEARTEN

: to hinder by disfavoring

: to dissuade or attempt to dissuade from doing something
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discourage

All other definitions should be used in general terms.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

"I don't care anymore, have a free unrated win."

Was going to read through this and post a more detailed vote, but if that R2 from Con isn't a concession, I don't know what is. Also doesn't help that Con's second round was, essentially, just a posted forfeit with no contribution to the debate, which meant Con only had one round of substance. If Con is fine giving Pro a "free" win, so he gets arguments. Could probably give conduct too, but at least Con announced it.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Definitions.
Definitions leans this pretty heavy in Bella3sp's favor.

Defining something as "inappropriate"
Normally precedes that inappropriate thing being discouraged.

Not everyone 'agrees on what cultural appropriation,
Personally I'm more of mind of RationalMadman's arguments in Round 1,
But that's a bit offhand,
RationalMadman accepted the debate, and definitions.

Bella3sp Round 1
Eh, people 'could still go the freedom route,
Not whether people should be allowed, but that people 'should act inappropriately sometimes, to reaffirm that freedom, benefits outweighing the harms argument.
Not that I agree/disagree with that argument.
. .

I'd argue there's a difference between 'mocking a culture,
And appropriating it's culture.

Though one might argue wiggers are still harmful to American black culture,
There's 'many American black cultures,
Same as one picking up redneck culture might be viewed as harmful to white American culture,
But again, 'lots of American cultures.

The wigger isn't really 'mocking blacks though.
. .

The Redskins, as a number of sports teams might call themselves,
I suppose one could still call appropriation,
Though the people aren't 'mocking,
They are 'playing with the imagery a bit, wearing face paint, Native American headdress or something at game,
Still, Americans play with their own culture sometimes, wear their flag on their face, or white wigs.
. .

I suppose route Con could go with is arguing with examples of appropriation 'not being harmful in X many cases.
To counteract Pro arguments of harmful.

RationalMadman Round 1

Though RationalMadman's argument on cultures sharing and encouraging change, accepting individuals into their culture is rational,
'Big problem is the definition in this debate and the word "inappropriate"

RationalMadman 'might have argued "inappropriate" is vague,
Thus sticking with the definition,
By noting 'technically if one person or a group find it inappropriate,
It could be both inappropriate 'and appropriate,
People disagree on 'what matters are.

But RationalMadman Round 1, more is arguing that culture sharing can be good.

Bella3sp Round 2
Mostly Bella3sp noting definitions of debate,
Appreciation vs Appropriation.

RationalMadman Round 2
Doesn't really make any arguments,
"I don't care anymore, have a free unrated win."
'Could be seen as concession,
'Or it could be seen as expectation of loss, due to not wanting to put in effort to win.

Bella3sp Round 3
Not really any arguments,
Understandable to be tired, but a bit of a downer, by 'either side towards each other to 'state so in debate,
Doing any activity with someone and complaining about it, stating heart not into it, drags the activity a bit, maybe.

RationalMadman Round 3
No Show.

RFD
Arguments,
Though I think the definition was a bit cheaty,
Bella3sp justified her side in round 1,
While RationalMadman needed to make a 'different attack than what he did,
Good Round 1 by RationalMadman, it's just that it misses the target, due to "inappropriate" definition.
Arguments to Bella3sp.

Sources,
I'm not giving Bella3sp sources, because I don't think the 'examples given of cultural appropriation 'are inappropriate,
Besides, whites can have dreadlocks if they want, (I think one of the sources I skimmed complained about white dreadlocks)
Sources Tie, mostly definitions by both, not really 'proof sources.

Legibility, both sides understandable. Tie.

Conduct, tie,
Since RationalMadman might have conceded, missed round just counts more towards that conclusion.