The Kalaam Cosmological Argument
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Before I begin I would like to thank Ramshutu for agreeing to debate this important topic with me. It is a delight to finally be able to get a chance to debate you.
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The Kalaam Cosmological Argument is a sound argument for the existence of God
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The Kalaam Cosmological Argument (KCA hereafter) states:
1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause
2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore the universe has a cause
Sound: An argument that is sound is one that is both valid, and has all true premises. Therefore, by definition, a sound argument has a true conclusion. http://www.philosophy-index.com/logic/terms/soundness.php
God: The greatest conceivable being and therefore the highest Good, i.e. a person without a body (i.e., a spirit) who necessarily is eternal, perfectly free, omnipotent, omniscient, perfectly good, and the creator of all things. This description expresses the traditional concept of God in Western philosophy and theology - https://www.reasonablefaith.org/question-answer/P30/defining-god
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All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology.
Suppose that we have a hotel with an actually infinite number of rooms and that an actually infinite number of guests arrives. The manager easily accomodates the guests, and that's that. But now suppose that another guest arrives. "No problem!" says the manger, and he moves the guest in room #1 into room #2, the guest in room #2, into room #3, and so on. In a flash, the fully occupied hotel suddenly has one more room. But how can this be? The hotel was already full!Now suppose that an actually infinite number of new guests arrives looking for rooms. Without breaking a sweat, the manager moves each guest into a room that is twice his own. As a result, all of the odd numbered rooms become vacant, and the guests are accomodated without issue. But again, how can this be? The hotel was already full prior to their arrival! But now suppose that all of the guests in the even numbered rooms check out. It would still be the case that the hotel had just as many guests as before. In fact, with some re-arranging, the manager could turn his half empty hotel into one that's jam-packed. But how can this be?Hilbert's hotel is rightly absurd, and it illustrates the absurdities that could result if actually infinite sets did exist in reality. Because mathematical operations involving actually infinite sets lead to contradictions, they cannot exist in reality.
“Why think the cause is God? (1) The cause must exist outside of time and space; (2) this cause must have been eternal; (3) this cause must be enormously powerful in order to create such a complex universe thus supporting omnipotence; (3) it must be personal; (4) it must be free to create the universe. This is what we call a Maximally Great Being, ie. God.”
I extend all my arguments over this intermission round!
1.) The framing of the KCA fails to warrant its support for God, as the KCA doesn’t itself confirm any key properties that defines God. Pro offers no counter to this, so this point must stand and therefore the KCA is not evidence for God.
2.) P1 of the KCA is an appeal to common sense. As I showed in R1 and R2, this appeal to common sense fails, as common sense can be shown to fail repeatedly when applied to the universe. As a result this point must stand, and therefore the KCA is shown to be unsound.
As I have showed the KCA fails to be a sound argument for God in two ways, and no rebuttal was offered, and as such a vote for con is warranted.
Hey you're coming off the bench...good luck.