Instigator / Pro
7
1500
rating
9
debates
33.33%
won
Topic
#5296

morality is based on logic

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
12
Better sources
4
8
Better legibility
2
4
Better conduct
1
4

After 4 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...

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Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
28
1492
rating
332
debates
40.66%
won
Description

con must prove morality isn't based on logic.

Round 1
Pro
#1
Forfeited
Con
#2
Is morality based on logic?

To answer that question, we can ask some more questions.

What is morality?

Upon performing a search on the google search engine: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

What principles?

The definition didn't specify so any principle that is there by who or what.

Here's a secondary definition to back that up.

- a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.

So the principles held by a person especially. It doesn't necessarily have to be based on anything else as it didn't say.


What is logic?

Upon performing a search on the google search engine: reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

What is valid is true and a fact. Now facts are immutable.

Now ask anybody in the world what is moral ?

Ask anybody in the world what is moral to them?

Ask them why?

Ask yourself why do the explanations vary.

That second question posed actually indicated without going further that the answer is "no" to the question involving the topic.

Morality is not based on logic.

When we want to know what is logical, we could ask anyone on the planet. The answers should be and most likely will be the same. It's fact, it's the same no matter who you talk to .

You can discover logic, what is logical without subjective input because it is not subjective, biased or influenced by anyone.

You can learn of logic or encounter it without talking to anyone. It changes the progression of education but it is only the progression.

As said, morality is a system of what is right and wrong that a society or person would have to hold. In essence they're ideas as one idea differs from another.

Where did the concept of right and wrong come from ?

Was it logic or people?

Reality is what it is unimportant of whom you talk to. Is morality not a thought process of values, assisted by personified emotions and preferences?

Logic is rooted in the natural laws the way things work under it. What feelings, thoughts, ideas does it itself hold?

Are numbers and language of a similar fashion?

Aren't they just an expression of reality in communication from one to another ?

Right and wrong are interactive social cues communicated between people, is that right?

But before people, then what?

Did it only exist when people did?

But logic existed prior to people, isn't it so?

I'm pretty much drawing attention to the detachment of logic and morality.

How is morality, a system developed by social parameters based on logic, a system that exists by itself?

Someone will say logic is the criteria for a foundation.

In that case I can check with logic itself what moral is if truly based. I don't go through different societies, towns, states, countries, islands, villages, tribes, law books, the past to the present to check with.

Each one of these avenues will have a basis of some kind using the labels right and wrong. The foundation(s) thereof, keyword : foundations are not based from logic because that is ONE foundation, THE foundation for all time, everywhere.

Someone can say we learn over time. How much are we going to keep learning? How much will it be until it is fixated , set in stone?

Many people think that now, in today's time we have it right. We have complete morality or our morality is complete.

Our morals now are better than they were decades ago.

Did they say that very thing decades ago?

Before that and before that.

Will people say that decades from now?

Decades and decades from now.

What we think morality is , changes, it is reconsidered, assessed over again, measured again, evaluated again.

With legal procedures, law enforcement procedures, healthcare procedures.

So many different things going on in politics with one voting for one whom is believed to be right and or do things right while another seen as the same but is an OPPOSING candidate should be voted for just for the same perceived reason.

Morality is based on logic. No it can't be. Logic doesn't change up every now and again.

People do though.


Round 2
Pro
#3
Forfeited
Con
#4
I rest my case.
Round 3
Pro
#5
Forfeited
Con
#6
Case closed.