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Sasuke Uchiha has Schizoid Disorder (Pro) VS Sasuke has Autism (Con) ONLY FOR RATIONALMADMAN

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Round 1
Pro
#1
Since there can be overlap between Schizoid and Autism it is important to keep in mind the actual core defining trait of each disorder.

Autism: Difficulty in understanding communication, social norms and social cues.

Schizoid: Extreme pathological introversion that stems from a fear/hatred of letting others in. 

Sasuke never acts in a way that would indicate his behavior stems from a lack of social skills, rather his supposed lack of social skills stems from his pathological introversion.

Sasuke's attitude is never "damn I'm so awkward, how can I relate to others?" and is ALWAYS "get the fuck away from me, you can never understand me".

This stems from the trauma of not only having everyone who was close to him killed, but also being betrayed by the person he trusted and looked up to the most.

The anime/manga doesn't do a good enough job of portraying the severe trust issues that stem from that. It is never explicitly shown or stated but make no mistake, unlike him having autism which is pure speculation by con there is significant grounds (his trauma) to believe that Sasuke is afraid of letting others get close to him and fears that anyone and everyone could betray him.

There is a reason we never explicitly see this though, and it actually reinforces the idea that Sasuke is Schizoid. Throughout the entirety of Naruto, we actually get relatively little direct insight into Sasuke's thoughts and feelings as if he is hiding his true self even from the audience.
Con
#2
Hello all, I am autistic. I know many regulars here know that already but I felt it relevant to bring up as I introduce this debate. I don't know how popular this debate may become Internet-wise and I've searched high and low on search engines and know that I myself have never made a proper case for Sasuke being autistic, it seems neither has anyone else (though others who share my view have opposed Quora threads ruling it out with minimal effort put into their posts).

What I am doing may genuinely be a first in terms of the widely accessible Internet rather than some server somewhere on Discord in a debate you can't easily attain so don't be confused when I say this may end up big down the line if this site stays up and online, it could take a good 2 years before that happens but this is going to probably be the most comprehensive case for Sasuke being on the autistic spectrum you will find on the Internet. It's ashame I only have 10k characters.

Before I enter my case, I may as well get some fundamental errors Pro has made out of the way:

  1. Oversimplified definitions of both Schizoid disorder and Autism (which is a spectrum and has far more to it than struggling socially). I'll go into this later so I just mention it as a flaw, clarifying I challenge semantically how we are defining the key terms here.
  2. Both underrating the PTSD while overrating how PTSD symptoms aren't taken serious by an advocate of Sasuke's autism.
  3. Assuming the Anime ever really showed Sasuke's genuine subconscious thought process. Not that he is also conceding that the manga/anime is pretty shit towards what is actually supposed to be one of its main characters, by conceding how poorly it shows his trauma and other internal things going on, while simultaneously telling us that we know for sure what's going on in Sasuke's head (this is point 3 times 2).
Rather than begin about Sasuke, I must do autism and schizoid disorder a make-up for Pro's disservice and represent them much more wholly than the one sentence nit-bit description of them.

What is Autism and how would non-professional psychistrists spot it in people?
Autism is a spectrum (I could make him change to Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) but knew in modern definitions it's a spectrum anyway. To state the obvious to any fan of Naruto or Boruto, Sasuke Uchiha is not low functioning full-scale autistic, this is clearly not my case. I myself am high functioning Asperger's so I understand Sasuke's brand of Autism more than most.

Asperger's Syndrome got removed by cancel culture because Hans Asperger happened to do some research under the Nazi regime for the entire war.

I agreed to this debate knowing that in the modern cancel culture-edited definition of ASD, Asperger's is not its own syndrome by merely the higher functioning part of the spectrum that can pass closer to neurotypical than a fully autistic person can.

HFA is a form of autism spectrum disorder (ASD). Children who have HFA are on the spectrum but have no learning or physical disability that affect their functioning. Children also struggle with the following areas
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Social communication and social interaction
Social communication refers to the social use of language, this requires a child to use and understand language and behaviour with others in communicative context. Social interaction refers to the behaviour of individuals who are sharing an activity.

Children who have high-functioning autism will have some difficulties with their social communication and interaction and may not be able to use the appropriate language and behaviour in particular situations, particularly when interacting with others. Speech and language therapists are able to provide children with techniques and strategies to manage their social communication or interaction difficulties.

Restricted, repetitive patterns of behaviour, interests or activities
Children may have behaviours or habits that are repetitive e.g. self-stimulatory behaviour, playing with toys in a non-functional manner e.g. lining them up rather than using them for their actual function. Children may have a routine that they abide by, changes to the routine may cause the child to become upset and distressed. Children may appear to lack imagination in their thoughts and play.

Children who have HFA tend to have fewer difficulties than children who function lower on the spectrum (may be non-verbal or have severe learning difficulties) with speech and are less likely to have coexisting learning disabilities. However children may still have learning difficulties such as dyslexia or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

Signs of High-Functioning Autism in Children
Children with high-functioning autism are likely to exhibit a wide range of symptoms in early childhood including:
  • Delayed speech
  • Fear of social situations
  • May appear more mature for their age and have above-average intelligence
  • A tendency to avoid eye contact
  • Trouble deviating from a routine or adapting to changes
  • Trouble making friends and maintaining social relationships or not “fitting in” with peers.
  • May often interrupt or “speak over” others.
  • May become obsessive over their hobbies and interests.
  • Difficulty sharing with others and may be thought of as “shy.”
  • Toe walking or other unusual movement patterns
  • Speaking in a monotone voice or using abnormal tone and pitch when speaking
  • Frequent stimming (unusual repetitive patterns of behavior such as hand-flapping or nail-picking) or fidgeting
  • Sensitive to different textures of food
  • Sensitive to bright lights, loud noises, and strong smells
  • Trouble with fine motor activities (such as writing with pencils or pens)
  • Excellent memory
  • Resistance to touch (such as hugs or hand holding)
  • Unaware of personal space
  • Seeming to be disinterested in activities or conversations going around them
  • Inability to perceive danger or ulterior motives in everyday life
  • Inability to self-regulate or regulate emotions especially when overstimulated, may lead to meltdowns or tantrums
  • Uncomfortable with or confused by sarcasm, joking, and small talk

Signs of High-Functioning Autism in Adults
The common signs of high-functioning autism in adults are very similar to those in children but will change situationally as children grow up.
It is a good idea to review the childhood list in addition to the one below, as many of the signs may overlap. Some of the most common traits in adults include: 
  • Inability to maintain eye contact without discomfort
  • Trouble assessing social cues
  • Anxiety in social settings
  • Has a hard time with the nuances of verbal communication and trouble understanding jokes and sarcasm
  • Rituals and restrictive habits
  • Easily overloaded by sensory input or overwhelmed
  • Trouble making decisions
  • Adherence to strict routines
  • Noticing sensory input (sounds, smells, etc.) that others don’t
  • Difficulty speaking in a two-way conversation
  • Ability to “hyper-focus” on work or a specific interest
  • Experiencing emotions more intensely than others
  • Frustration with even small changes or disruptions
  • Sensitivity to light, noise, or smell
  • Difficulty with transitions; frequently late
  • Would prefer to listen and observe than speak and interact
  • Often accused of being rude or blunt.
  • May have perfectionism in certain areas.
  • Prefers to work at home or away from others
  • Avoids stressful social situations such as parties
  • May be seen as “selfish” due to being overly concerned with oneself.
  • Has a hard time tracking when more than one conversation is occurring at once
  • Tends to take things literally.
Another common sign of ASD in both children and adults is the presence of common co-occurring disorders, including anxiety disorders, depression, ADHD, OCD, and bipolar disorder.

What Pro seems to wish to do is deny the entire checklist of the higher functioning autism Sasuke has and reallocate it to schizoid disorder.

By pasting this list I am not being lazy, it's extremely important for Pro to properly address the actual symptoms of Autism rather than just say Sasuke thinks people should get away from him and therefore isn't autistic.

PTSD is affecting him too, both sides agree to this.

I will now paste the symptoms of schizoid disorder.

Diagnostic Criteria for Schizoid Personality Disorder as Outlined in DSM V
  1. Detachment from social relationships with a restricted range of expression of emotions when they are in interpersonal settings. These begin in early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, demonstrable by four of the following:
    1. Neither desires nor enjoys close relationships
    2. Chooses solitary activities
    3. None or little interest in having sexual experiences
    4. Takes pleasure in few activities
    5. Lacks close friends or confidants
    6. Appears indifferent to praise or criticism
    7. Shows emotional coldness, detachment, or flattened affectivity
  2. Is not attributable to another medical condition; does not occur in the setting of schizophrenia, manic depression, autism spectrum disorder, or another affective disorder with psychotic features.

While Naruto and Boruto as a series never covers sex other than perversion by Jiraiya and Naruto's 'sexy no jutsu', I wonder how Sasuke made his child with Sakura.

Sasuke is not indifferent, he's just very bad at showing his deeply held opinions and severe passionate takes of criticisms and praise, this is autistic and note that if your symptoms are due to autism or another disorder, you can't be schizoid-diagnosed (the bolded text covers it). Furthermore, Schizoid is only having 7 traits because of the fact it's only ever diagnosed if other related things to those symptoms are ruled out.

Sasuke has almost every single symptom of Autism, in fact the difference between how his character was as a child vs an adult are near-perfect resemblance of the differences between the child vs adult list of autism symptoms. While he was aware of personal space and isn't shown to be too fussy an eater, what most see as emo frustration (sulky tantrums and temperament) is very typical of autistic kids.
Round 2
Pro
#3
  1. Neither desires nor enjoys close relationships
People with Schizoid disorder often have one, or maybe two people who they trust and enjoy far more than others. They can also secretly be very lonely despite seeming so disinterested in bonding with others.



While Naruto and Boruto as a series never covers sex other than perversion by Jiraiya and Naruto's 'sexy no jutsu', I wonder how Sasuke made his child with Sakura.
It would be a lie or a case of being stupid/ignorant to say that Schizoids are always aromantic or asexual. Reading about the disorder tells you that this is "often" the case, not "always" and I met a woman once on discord who told me about a Schizoid ex she had who only confided in and wanted a relationship with her and no one else. He fit the description of a Schizoid but he wasn't aromantic or asexual.



Sasuke is not indifferent, he's just very bad at showing his deeply held opinions and severe passionate takes of criticisms and praise, this is autistic 
It's also Schizoid, you aren't proving that he is MORE likely to be Autistic by saying this.

Schizoid people can have very passionate opinions of others while seeming totally indifferent on the surface. On top of this, Sasuke is being misrepresented if Con claims he typically has "severe passionate takes of criticisms and praise" which he does only for a minority of people. Sasuke is genuinely indifferent towards the vast majority of people. There are at least 100 "whatever idc" moments in the anime/manga that can be observed with Sasuke. He gives less of a fuck about others than any other character in the series while simultaneously showing no signs of being socially awkward and not having ASPD


Sasuke has almost every single symptom of Autism, in fact the difference between how his character was as a child vs an adult are near-perfect resemblance of the differences between the child vs adult list of autism symptoms. 

You'll have to actually point out why that is the case because I have no idea what you're talking about. Sasuke's only explicitly Autistic trait is being introverted but being pathologically and extremely introverted is more inherent to Schizoid than Autism because Autistic people can sometimes be extraverts.



what most see as emo frustration (sulky tantrums and temperament) is very typical of autistic kids.
Notice how he became that way mostly after his trauma and when he did it before having his clan killed, it was with things even a neurotypical child would act that way about such as feeling unloved by his father and feeling vastly inferior to his older brother.

Autism is something you are born with, Schizoid disorder is something that could actually be trauma-induced.
Con
#4
Idk what exactly my opponent is arguing anymore.

You see, this debate has 2 independent lines, one is Pro proving Sasuke has Schizoid disorder and the other is me proving he has Autism.

I have only 10k chars, I think I'll spend them backing my case up especially as Schizoid is ruled out if I can prove autism, by default.

I'll go through the symptoms of high functioning Autism and give examples of Sasuke having it. Note that unlike Pro, I'm not a Naruto geek anymore, I only watched it into a third way through Shippuuden before getting bored of it for life. My opponent has followed it religiously, so I don't have this vault of clips to show you off by heart but my opponent hasn't used his either.

What I know is what I saw was high functioning autism, in Sasuke, across so many situations and episodes.

  • Delayed speech
While this isn't shown, Sasuke is always thought of as 'slow' compared to his brother, his parents really felt he was somehow held back and 'delayed'. Itachi was a very accelerated high IQ child so it may be the case Sasuke had normal speech development but this is not covered much in the show beyond showing that his dad thought of him as 'slow'.
  • Fear of social situations
Sasuke consistently avoids social gatherings and situations as a child and teen, he only gains any urge to go to them and endure them as he grows into an adult and needs them in significant moderation to recharge.
  • May appear more mature for their age and have above-average intelligence
He had both of these except for the tendency to snap and have tantrums, which is the exact combination that autistic kids have.
  • A tendency to avoid eye contact
So, this is hard to directly prove until you watch the episodes.

A lot of his mannerisms are seen as arrogant or mock-worthy but he has a tendency to side-eye people in situations where it isn't applicable, he often looks down, away or up at people (up isn't arrogance) and prefers to talk to people side by side instead of face to face. While this is common in males vs in females, males are also statitically a lot more prone to autism in the first place.

I will show you some situations where we sort of 'laugh at it' or assume arrogance and moodiness alone is why he's doing it.


let me give a better example. While he grows up more able to maintain contact with specifically Sakura, as she has always been close to him even when he found her annoying, notice that he isn't necessarily staying Kakashi in the eyes and that as Naruto rages in the ending of this short clip, he doesn't even remotely turn his head to look at Naruto, this is all signs of autistic 'pick and choose' type eye contact whereas Neurotypicals always look at people directly as they talk or listen, generally speaking.

While Sasuke had a significant age gap to his brother there's also the fact his brother understood Sasuke's autism early on. What I mean is Itachi realised Sasuke likes interacting side by side and being on his brother's shoulder etc much more than talking face to face, he never pressures Sasuke to make eye contact like his dad does, this is onof many subtle things the show has that makes you wonder if the creator sneaked in Sasuke's autism intentionally and never mentions it.

While there are clips of them face-to-face, Sasuke doesn't enjoy eye contact with nearly anybody except Sakura, who he feels really close to. His tendency to make eye contact only seems to increase with those very close to him such as Sakura or his brother (who he loves even despite the horrific acts even before he knows the truth).

It even carried into his adulthood but similar to autistic people for those super close to him such as Sakura he will actually have prolonged eye contact.

  • Trouble deviating from a routine or adapting to changes
He totally has this but you only really notice is when he's a kid. This is a sign he adapts around masking as he grows and has trauma and a chaotic life leading him to avoid routine.

If you look at situations where Sasuke fights with the team 7 while they're young, he is the person who struggles the most with them suddenly changing plans, he gets frustrated at the changing itself.

I can't easily show this because it's several tiny clips from so many episodes but while Naruto struggles to make training on time, Sasuke seems the most upset at Kakashi's chaotic ways of running their regime.

  • Trouble making friends and maintaining social relationships or not “fitting in” with peers.
LOL, don't think I need to prove this. The dude was an outcast despite, according to both Sakura and Ino, being what in their anime world is considered attractive/hot.

Look at this interaction with Hinata: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3PiG-q2r6J8

while he's thought of as 'cool' by Naruto's son and is 'hot' to Naruto's wife, his social skills are so fucking awkward.

  • May often interrupt or “speak over” others.
He absolutely does this during conversations frequently but because Naruto shares the habit it seems 'funny' more than obviously autistic and he has PTSD and other things making him scared to too readily interrupt people or open up verbally in general. So what I mean is, he does this a lot more to people he's close to, he holds back around others and is a quiet sulky seeming guy instead, this duality is very typical of the autistic.

  • May become obsessive over their hobbies and interests.
In the Naruto ninja world it's normal to do this so Sasuke didn't seem weird for being so obsessed with his Sharingan and unique fighting style. However, notice how fast he learned things? That's because he instantly got obsessed with them and practised them.

  • Difficulty sharing with others and may be thought of as “shy.”
Totally Sasuke to a T.

  • Toe walking or other unusual movement patterns
Everyone in Naruto runs on their toes somehow and has weird movement patterns so this is hard to pinpoint due to physical issues with the anime.

  • Speaking in a monotone voice or using abnormal tone and pitch when speaking
I already showed clips to conclusively prove this.
  • Frequent stimming (unusual repetitive patterns of behavior such as hand-flapping or nail-picking) or fidgeting
I mean... he does this in a few ways but they're subtle and as ninjas frquently fidget or move about in the background, in Naruto, it seems normal.

  • Sensitive to different textures of food
He lacks this trait.
  • Sensitive to bright lights, loud noises, and strong smells
This may be linked to his sharingan powers and being a ninja but he has one of the best sensitivities to stimuli of his peers even as a kid. I can't prove this too much but it's well known. Naruto and Sakura relied on him a lot during the trials as Team 7 to be the first to detect danger.

I can't really prove this though, it's subtle things that make it obvious he always heard, smelled or saw things before the other 2 and was also ahead of his peers.

  • Trouble with fine motor activities (such as writing with pencils or pens)
He trained as a ninja to cover this up but as a child he was considered behind the curve at first but accelerated into teenage years. I think it helped that his main power to rely on was Sharingan which doesn't require motor skills to pull off.

  • Excellent memory
He has this, it's hard to categorically prove it but he consistently shows not only excellent memory but above average IQ throughout the show.

  • Resistance to touch (such as hugs or hand holding)
A running trope about him is how much he finds everyone annoying who tries to ge tphysically close, until he's an adult where he's slightly more open to it.

  • Unaware of personal space
He lacks this trait.

  • Seeming to be disinterested in activities or conversations going around them
Super him, unless the particular topic interests him.

  • Inability to perceive danger or ulterior motives in everyday life
As a child he had this significantly but PTSD and a ninja lifestyle combined with hellbent urge on revenge led to him doing this.
  • Inability to self-regulate or regulate emotions especially when overstimulated, may lead to meltdowns or tantrums
He has this severely as a child in multiple scenarios.

As a teen this scene stands out:


He literally punches a rock hard just to express how frustrated he is to Naruto in a fight where he needs to not waste any energy or injure himself.

There are many more examples, I am sure Pro will concede.
  • Uncomfortable with or confused by sarcasm, joking, and small talk
Totally Sasuke. In fact, he didn't at all catch that Sakura had a huge crush on him for years because of how unaware he is to tone or reading between the lines as well as small talk.


I am running out of time so I'll rush this next section.

These are the adult traits.

  • Inability to maintain eye contact without discomfort
He has this unless you're close to him.

  • Trouble assessing social cues
He has this.

  • Anxiety in social settings
Yep, constantly uptight seeming.

  • Has a hard time with the nuances of verbal communication and trouble understanding jokes and sarcasm
Always been a Sasuke trait, he finds Naruto so incredibly irritating until Naruto himself matures and stops this.
  • Rituals and restrictive habits
  • Easily overloaded by sensory input or overwhelmed
  • Trouble making decisions
  • Adherence to strict routines
  • Noticing sensory input (sounds, smells, etc.) that others don’t
  • Difficulty speaking in a two-way conversation
  • Ability to “hyper-focus” on work or a specific interest
  • Experiencing emotions more intensely than others
  • Frustration with even small changes or disruptions
  • Sensitivity to light, noise, or smell
  • Difficulty with transitions; frequently late
  • Would prefer to listen and observe than speak and interact
  • Often accused of being rude or blunt.
  • May have perfectionism in certain areas.
  • Prefers to work at home or away from others
  • Avoids stressful social situations such as parties
  • May be seen as “selfish” due to being overly concerned with oneself.
  • Has a hard time tracking when more than one conversation is occurring at once
  • Tends to take things literally.
He has all of these.
Round 3
Pro
#5
 I'm not a Naruto geek anymore, I only watched it into a third way through Shippuuden before getting bored of it for life. My opponent has followed it religiously
Thank you for conceding that I know way more about Naruto and it's characters than you.

While this isn't shown, Sasuke is always thought of as 'slow' compared to his brother, his parents really felt he was somehow held back and 'delayed'. Itachi was a very accelerated high IQ child so it may be the case Sasuke had normal speech development but this is not covered much in the show beyond showing that his dad thought of him as 'slow'.
You are misrepresenting things, it isn't implied at all that Sasuke is slow in the way you're insinuating. Sasuke is considered less talented than Itachi, who happens to be the actual human embodiment of talent. Sasuke's dad never calls him "slow" or commented on his social skills.



  • Fear of social situations
Although rare, there are extraverted autistic people however there are no extraverted Schizoids. This is more proof of Schizoid than Autism when observed on it's own.

  • May appear more mature for their age and have above-average intelligence
He had both of these except for the tendency to snap and have tantrums, which is the exact combination that autistic kids have.

None of this is something only Autistic people can have. Your goal should be to prove that Sasuke's behavior stems from a lack of social/communication skills and not from pathological introversion. Sasuke's lack of social skills stems from pathological introversion, his introversion does not stem from lack of social/communication skills.



  • A tendency to avoid eye contact
 
He does seem to have this but it doesn't inherently make him Autistic.



  • Trouble deviating from a routine or adapting to changes

He doesn't particularly have this.

  • Trouble making friends and maintaining social relationships or not “fitting in” with peers.
This is also characteristic of Schizoid.

I also should clarify that he is not Autistic by default. I know how stupid people can be, and a lot of voters will think that because Con says "you are only schizoid if other disorders are ruled out" that I have more BOP than him. If you weren't an ignorant cretin and actually knew anything about psych disorders, you would know this is how ALL disorders are treated. For example you aren't considered to have ASPD if all the symptoms that overlap with it stem from Schizophrenia.

Therefore, Sasuke is Schizoid and not Autistic because despite overlapping symptoms, Sasuke's symptoms are caused by pathological introversion and not by an inherent lack of social/communication fluency.



hile he's thought of as 'cool' by Naruto's son and is 'hot' to Naruto's wife, his social skills are so fucking awkward.
He's getting straight to the point in that clip, he doesn't care about having good social skills. If he was Autistic he would be trying to mask it and acting more normal but the fact that he just doesn't give a shit is more characteristic of Schizoid.


  • May often interrupt or “speak over” others.
    So what I mean is, he does this a lot more to people he's close to, he holds back around others and is a quiet sulky seeming guy instead, this duality is very typical of the autistic.
Ok but since all of this shit can overlap all that really matters is the core defining thing that makes someone Autistic VS Schizoid. He could be both if he had both of the core defining traits but he only has it for Schizoid. Sasuke became an extreme introvert after being traumatized, this is what is responsible for all these behaviors. In order to prove he is Autistic you must prove he was Autistic before the massacre since Autism is genetic and with you from birth but Schizoid and be caused by trauma.

So really all Con has to go on is that Sasuke was kind of shy already as a kid and that his father considered him less talented than 10/10 super genius Itachi.



In the Naruto ninja world it's normal to do this so Sasuke didn't seem weird for being so obsessed with his Sharingan and unique fighting style. However, notice how fast he learned things? That's because he instantly got obsessed with them and practised them.


Or maybe he's just very smart/talented and very dedicated to killing Itachi?


Sensitive to different textures of food

He lacks this trait.
Actually, even though saying this helps your case more than mine I will tell you that you're wrong but it isn't enough to prove he's autistic on it's own so whatever.

I know from sources that are canonical but outside the main manga/anime that Sasuke hates natto, which is fermented soybeans, specifically because of the texture.


Trouble with fine motor activities (such as writing with pencils or pens)


He trained as a ninja to cover this up but as a child he was considered behind the curve at first but accelerated into teenage years.
You need to stop pretending that because he was less talented than the most talented Ninja alive who happened to be his older brother, that he was somehow "slow" when it came to speech or "awkward" in the way you're implying.



  • Inability to perceive danger or ulterior motives in everyday life
As a child he had this significantly
No, there is not a single thing that implies this.



he didn't at all catch that Sakura had a huge crush on him for years

He did know, but it wasn't a priority and he thought Sakura was just an annoying spoiled dumb ass who didn't understand loneliness.



He has all of these.
He has several but not all.
Con
#6
Sasuke's dad never calls him "slow" or commented on his social skills.
I'll leave this as a hint that you're lying and you know it:

Sasuke was thought of as 'slow' in general by his dad. Part of this is because Sasuke has an autistic affinity for lightning specifically rather than the typical Uchiha affinity for fire, making him less capable of instantly mastering fire to any degree a neurotypical Uchiha even without affinity for fire could.

In this debate, Pro hasn't proven that Sasuke has Schizoid disorder, he's only tried to mitigate the austim by grasping at straws there. This debate is meant to have a two-pronged burden of proof, yet my opponent only thinks he has to say Sasuke is introverted to win his side of the debate.

Schizoid disorder is not Sasuke at all, he has passionate feelings that he struggles to express which is more autistic rather than overall dispassion like schizoids do and has so many traits of autism he's actually one of the most arguably autistic characters in all of fiction barring someone of the Rain Man tier.