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Topic
#5595
World Conquest Zvezda Plot is the best anime ever. Yes, it is!
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After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
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Round 1
Pro
#1
The anime has Kate Hoshimiya, also called Lady Venera, as main character.
She is the leader of the secret organization "Zvezda".
Her desire is to conquer the world.
This anime is the best anime ever for these combined reasons:
1. Loli power
This should win me debate on its own. Anime has a cute loli Kate taking the role of main character, supreme leader and a very powerful God-like being who is also a master tactician.
2. Women power
Anime gives a lot of power to women, and shows how women can greatly change the world and improve it. It shows that women can be better leaders than men, stronger fighters than men, and better managers of society than men, but it also doesnt display men as useless or bad, but it displays men and women working together to achieve best results.
3. Anti smoking and improving health
Kate fights against smoking because she thinks its very unhealthy and harms others. She points this out, promoting healthier way of life. Her goal is to live in a world where no one smokes, where everyone is healthy and happy.
4. Strong message
Despite being a funny anime, anime has a strong message about changing the world, improving lives, helping each other, having compassion, making organization, overcoming obstacles and addictions and solving almost unsolvable problems.
5. Funny and happy
Anime is very funny, even tho the comedy is not its only point. Anime succeeds in making people laugh, hence improving their life. Also, anime is filled with happy and satisfying scenes and variety of happy events, jokes, twists and messing around.
6. Serious
This anime is also sometimes very serious.
"Do not think that non-smokers have accepted smokers. Non-smokers curse you and hope for your death." - Kate
There are often cases where group is near death or defeat, where its members are captured and suffering.
7. Promoting compassion
Anime includes a lot of compassion. It talks about how others feel, even about how bad people feel. For example, smokers who were presented as bad guys are also shown in their different side, their feelings, needs and suffering.
Kate, after accusing the guy of being a sex offender, even said how she understands that boys have difficulty controlling their libido.
So the anime does not present just one side as good, and the other as bad, but anime presents both good guys and bad guys as people with feelings, people who suffer and need to be convinced to improve their life.
Anime also never shows good guys as completely good, or bad guys as completely bad.
Anime shows how bad guys suffer and feel bad, not in a way to mock them but to cause compassion for them. It shows their experience with problems and their life that is far from them having everything going as they wish. Their desires and needs are not presented as lesser than those of good guys.
This form of compassion is rarely seen in any other anime.
8. Promoting love
Anime promotes love and the story goes around Asuta being in very friendly love with a girl who is a member of an enemy group White Light. Their love is kind, gentle, innocent, harmless, and non-sexual.
9. Almost no killing in anime
Despite being in war, and despite Kate often making death threats as a joke, anime has clear effort to promote a more peaceful ways of combat. Rather than killing her enemies, Kate just defeats them by using her powers to convert them to her side.
10. Dreams and ideals
Anime involves big dreams and ideals about fixing the world and creating a world where everyone is cared for and accepted.
11. Cool outfits
Each character has a completely different outfit, and there are even masks to make things more interesting and creating the struggle between truth and secrets.
12. Promoting friendship
Anime talks a lot about friendship and how to make friends, which is very useful for anyone watching it. In fact, it shows that in order to have friendship, you must be more accepting of differences and abandoning the attempt to control others.
13. Promoting forgiveness
Despite many people trying to kill her, Kate never tries to kill them. In fact, she even spares her main enemy after defeating him.
14. Fixing the world in the best way possible
Kate fixes the world in a way that she only helps others. She doesnt sacrifice anyone to help others, but in fact she tries to save all, even her enemies, like a true God.
15. Cute
The anime is very cute and has many adorable scenes which just melt your heart, such as that Kate's powerful battle monster is actually made up of cute toys which make it less scary.
16. Mysterious
The anime has many secrets and leaves plenty to be wondered about, such as just how powerful Kate really is, what are her hidden powers, what are the powers of her enemy. Her powers seem to be somehow decreased when faced with smokers, as smoke has some effect on her powers.
17. Secrets
Anime is about one secret organization fighting another secret organization. And the members of each organization dont even know who the members of the other organization are, because they all wear masks. This even creates a situation where Asuta fights against his friend who he is in love with, but the only reason he fights her is due to secrets and not knowing, which is where anime points out that not knowing can lead people into making big mistakes.
18. Plot twists
Anime has plot twist not just in every episode, but in almost every 5 minutes of it. There is a constant change in situation, constant switching between defeat and victories, joy and upset, suffering and happiness, disapproval and approval.
19. Unpredictable story
The story is entirely unpredictable. In fact, up until few last episodes, you dont even know who is the true enemy. You never know what will happen in the next episode or the next scene. There is simply no way to predict any episode of this anime correctly without watching it first.
20. Respect for robots and AI
The anime includes respect for AI. In fact, AI is a respected member of the Zvezda organization. It is equal to all other members and is treated the same as any other, despite it not being human.
21. Opposing evil dictatorship
The main enemy of Kate is an evil dictator who oppresses people, is selfish and just fights for wealth and power, wants to control people, is quick to use force and doesnt care how people suffer. Kate stands as opposition to that.
22. Voluntary membership in organization
Despite being a secret military, Zvezda is actually a voluntary organization. Its members can move freely, no one even commands them most of the time, and they are there because they like being there. Even after one member betrays the organization, the organization doesnt attempt to destroy him.
Despite there being threats which promise death to those who leave organization, it is actually never acted upon.
23. Members of organization being treated like family
"When you share a meal together, you become family." - Kate
There is a strong sense of organization being run like family. Zvezda even works like family, where its members cook for each other, share meals and distribute tasks. In fact, the group itself is the size of a family by number of members.
24. Conflict between mercy and cruelty
The anime conflicts two sides, mercy and cruelty. Kate is mostly the idea of mercy and compassion, where her enemies are mostly the form of hate, cruelty, and violence, but there is also conflict of cruelty and mercy on both sides, in both good guys and bad guys.
25. Equal representation of male and female
Anime has about same amount of male and female characters, where main good character is female, and main bad character is male, and males and females are present in about equal number in group.
26. Magic
There is some unexplainable magic in anime. Characters have supernatural powers which arent clearly defined, but it seems that they are strong enough to fight modern military and win.
27. The contrast between harmless and innocent girl actually containing power to conquer the world
This is something which is very interesting about this anime. Something seemingly powerless holds greatest power, while something which seems unstoppable ends up being powerless.
28. Positivity and optimism
The anime is filled with optimism and overcoming obstacles. Kate gives constant courage to members of her organization, motivating them to move forward even in hardest times.
29. Despite war, no main character dies in war
This is important, as losing main characters often reflects poorly on the anime and creates sense of discomfort. However, in this anime, despite war, there are almost no deaths happening, and all main characters remain alive, which makes for the most satisfying ending.
30. Fast story and short episodes
Anime only has 12 main episodes where each lasts about 20 minutes. Its very interesting to be watched and fast enough so that even those who have no patience to watch long anime series can watch this one.
31. Power balance constantly changing
The anime power balance is changing in every episode, from one group winning to another. This creates excitement and makes anime less predictable.
32. Helping others even if it harms you
Asuta Jimon was very hungry and had almost no food, when he found Kate who seemed to be starving. Despite not having enough food and despite that he never even met Kate before and didnt know anything about her, he gave her his food, despite her being a complete stranger to him. This later motivated Kate to accept him into Zvezda.
33. Suffering
Anime displays suffering of the characters, from small problems like not being able to cook properly, to bigger problems such as being hungry, fighting addictions and being in danger of being killed. Both the suffering of good guys and bad guys is presented in same way, creating a sense that not even bad guys deserve to suffer.
Con
#2
1 Some people are uncomfortable with loli cause there tendencies for anime to sexualize them and yours aint different
2. Women having power is still seen a something new even though its become the status quo
3. Anti smoking is already something known globally
4. Sinice all problems are solved with no sacrifice it make your anime boring
5. Any slice of life anime has this and it's the status quo for most
6. Suffering without death or sacrifice is enough to remove the serous aspect of this
7. Compassion is good but rarely can problems be fixed with it repeated use of this method dulls an anime
8.There love is too easy without a true emotional barrier between these to it was like there made to love each other
9.Killing is needed to make an anime feel more real and have the characters more grounded
10. Big dream and achieving them is a big part of all anime not achieving them make an anime special this isn't different
2. Women having power is still seen a something new even though its become the status quo
3. Anti smoking is already something known globally
4. Sinice all problems are solved with no sacrifice it make your anime boring
5. Any slice of life anime has this and it's the status quo for most
6. Suffering without death or sacrifice is enough to remove the serous aspect of this
7. Compassion is good but rarely can problems be fixed with it repeated use of this method dulls an anime
8.There love is too easy without a true emotional barrier between these to it was like there made to love each other
9.Killing is needed to make an anime feel more real and have the characters more grounded
10. Big dream and achieving them is a big part of all anime not achieving them make an anime special this isn't different
11.Not a good reason
12.It should also show the strain of friend ships to
13.Forgiving people without a good reason is like giving a murderer back his murder weapon you not fixing the problem your just restarting it
14.sacrifice is needed in everything (also what do you mean ‘a true god’)
15. If something is cute doesn't make it good
16. Mysteries without answer are exactly what any anime doesn't want
17. This is just miscommunication
18. Repeated plot twist can cause an anime to be bad
19. The audience must know who they should trust and oppose at the start not at the end
20.Robots are made for something or to make something easier respect isn't needed and ai is similar only more human
12.It should also show the strain of friend ships to
13.Forgiving people without a good reason is like giving a murderer back his murder weapon you not fixing the problem your just restarting it
14.sacrifice is needed in everything (also what do you mean ‘a true god’)
15. If something is cute doesn't make it good
16. Mysteries without answer are exactly what any anime doesn't want
17. This is just miscommunication
18. Repeated plot twist can cause an anime to be bad
19. The audience must know who they should trust and oppose at the start not at the end
20.Robots are made for something or to make something easier respect isn't needed and ai is similar only more human
21.Basic story factor
22. Voluntary membership in organization
This gives the member no point in being there expect just because
23. This is an attempt to make you feel better
24. The lack of any true violence wont help this statement
25. The main cast if mostly female the opposing side is only male
26. Lack of knowledge of what it is causes problems
27. Villian with no true power story with no true plot
28.this can make it so there's no true problem and all matters to convey sadness weak
29. Death is needed in anime including main characters solidifies the feeling of mortality
30.just the norm nothing special
22. Voluntary membership in organization
This gives the member no point in being there expect just because
23. This is an attempt to make you feel better
24. The lack of any true violence wont help this statement
25. The main cast if mostly female the opposing side is only male
26. Lack of knowledge of what it is causes problems
27. Villian with no true power story with no true plot
28.this can make it so there's no true problem and all matters to convey sadness weak
29. Death is needed in anime including main characters solidifies the feeling of mortality
30.just the norm nothing special
31. This makes an anime worse since the power balance changes it make it confusing try to keep up with is in power
32.if not for plot armor he would have die trading his life for some random person
33.Yet the anime dulls it down with its happy go lucky attitude
32.if not for plot armor he would have die trading his life for some random person
33.Yet the anime dulls it down with its happy go lucky attitude
this anime is litary just a comfort show its not the best at anything
Round 2
Pro
#3
34. Sense of belonging
Despite being different, every member of Kate's group feels like he/she belongs there. They dont ask too many questions about each other and they accept each other for what they are.
35. Boundless and never giving up
Anime is based upon never giving up. In fact, after all the trials, the group never even once thought of giving up.
36. Kate conquers because she cares
Kate conquers the world to fix it and make it perfect and united. She conquers it to improve it, not to get rich or famous for doing it.
37. Helping those rejected by society
Many of Zvezda's members are those rejected by society. In fact, one of the points of anime is that those rejected by oppressive society will rise up against that oppressive society, and Kate's goal is to create new society where no one is rejected.
38. Understanding others
Despite being a leader in a war, Kate never abandons her principles. She always understands how others feel, she even tries to talk her enemies into joining her.
39. Leader who rarely commands or makes rules
Whats interesting about anime is that Kate acts more like a guide than a leader. She doesnt attempt to control everyone or tell them what to do all the time. She often even remains silent when others do things she disagrees with.
40. Master of tactics
Kate is a master of warfare. Despite being outnumbered by far and the fact that her group consists of less than 10 people who are trying to conquer entire Japan and then entire world, they are successfully fighting entire Japan's military, using hit and run tactics, baiting enemies to attack them, even getting themselves captured just to set a trap for their enemies.
Kate is also very skilled in speech, so she motivates masses to support her against the evil dictatorship, and turns every situation in her favor.
41. Accepting difference
All group members are different and have different personality, different tastes, different opinions. However, they are always accepted by each other.
42. Contrast between childhood and adulthood
The anime is all about a child-like person trying to conquer the world and make decisions like adult. It shows that something seemingly powerless can in fact hold all power and that destiny can turn in many ways.
43. All emotions present
Anime is very emotional, and has many different scenes in it, each carrying different emotion, from being hungry to being in love, from being abandoned to being accepted, from being alone to being with others, from being captured to being free, from being serious to being funny, from being sad to being happy, from having compassion to not having it, from being cruel to being mercifull, and so on.
44. Promoting innocence and friendship instead of sexuality
Despite talking about sexual topics and not condemning sexuality, anime places great focus on innocence and friendship over any kind of sexuality. In fact, anime shows main characters rejecting sexual experiences or advances in favor of friendly love and innocence.
45. Promoting non-violent ways of struggle
The anime talks about war, yet Kate doesnt often fight in violent ways. She tries to convince her enemies to join her, and refuses to kill them, and condemns any harming of innocents.
46. Toys against military tanks
This is an interesting point, when you realize that Kate uses childlish toys to fight serious advanced military tanks, helicopters, guns... and wins.
47. Every character unique
There are no two same characters in this anime. They are all different, with different moods, different reactions, different opinions which suit the reality of organizations.
48. Promoting simple life as opposed to being wealthy
Zvezda organization is all about living in simple way without gathering riches, where their enemies are all about wealth and power.
Zvezda members often skip meals, lack money and dont have fancy things.
49. Selflessness
Kate doesnt fight for selfish purposes, and neither does any of its members. They fight to improve the world and help people. In fact, it seems that the necessary step to join Zvezda is to prove that you are selfless, which Asuta proved by sharing his meal with Kate at the time when he didnt even know who she was and didnt know anything about her, but still decided to help the stranger.
50. Compassion for strangers
Anime doesnt act on the premise "stranger danger", but rather goes in opposite way, apparently to treat anyone like family, even if you dont know them and have never met them before.
51. Honor and not harming innocents
Zvezda organization has strict rules about not harming innocents. They dont harm innocents to save themselves or to improve their position. They dont even kill their enemies, but spare them, showing a great sign of fighting with honor.
This is contrasted with group "White Light" which they are fighting against, which has no problem of killing innocents to defeat Zvezda, but Zvezda never lets them kill innocents in the anime.
52. Gentle moments and sense of bonding
Anime has lots of gentle moments and every day situations which people can relate to, from friendly jokes and innocent teasing, to members bonding through common interests while accepting differences. The anime takes you on a ride of unique scenes which each creates its own emotion.
53. Acting for purpose
The anime is all about making a move to improve the world, even when it seems very unlikely that you will achieve anything, even when it seems pointless.
Both Zvezda and White Light groups are motivated by the idea that defeating the other group will make the world a better place, and they each have their reasons to fight each other.
54. Age doesnt matter
The anime focuses on young boy Asuta who does good and changes the world by helping Kate, despite him being young, in middle school, and despite him being a nobody and non-important person in society, in first episode.
55. Power of friendship and helping others can overcome all obstacles
Despite being greatly outnumbered and inferior in military, Zvezda organization survives because it is based upon friendship, loyalty and helping others, values which almost never fail.
56. Tension
Anime builds tension greatly because you are always wondering what will happen next, as the outcomes of situations are unpredictable and the plot changes all the time as Zvezda goes from safety and comfort to danger and being overpowered to being powerful again, and it changes many times in each episode.
57. Importance of secrets
Despite that anime points out harms in keeping secrets, it also points out the benefits. In fact, entire Zvezda is a stealth organization which works because no one thinks that Kate can be its leader, which allows Kate to move around freely in public despite being the leader of the rebel organization considered most dangerous.
Every member of the group wears masks to protect their identity, which allows Zvezda to perform master tactics and act from shadow to weaken the enemy before final battle.
58. Changing personalities
You can sense the personalities changing in anime. In first episode, Lady Plamya is presented as terrifying, angry and cruel, cutting military cars in pieces and being extremely strong fighter, only to be presented as charming girl with poor cooking skills who desperately tries to learn how to cook in episode 2.
Kate is at one time very scary, sometimes making death threats and being even cruel, but at the other time which is more often, she is being very forgiving and kind and merciful.
It is these kind of changes which show that people's personalities arent black or white, but can be both.
59. Clumsy and skilled
Anime shows its characters being both clumsy and skilled. At one time, they are master planners, confident speakers and top fighters, at other times they are struggling to form sentences, they are triggered and cant perform most basic tasks.
60. Kindness and insults
Anime shows both the kind and mean side of characters. At one time, they are saying warm comforting words and praises, at the other they are insulting each other without mercy. This cycle makes anime interesting, as each character has a mix of things in his/her personality.
61. Battle with addiction
The anime shows clear battle of certain characters with their addiction and desires. It shows what person who is addicted has to go through, all their pain and discomfort, their lust for things they are addicted to and even breaking rules to get what they lust for.
62. Anime creates lots to talk about
As proven by this debate, there is a lot to talk about in this anime. With so many events, situations and characters packed in 12 episodes, anime sparks up curiosity about many topics.
63. Lots of very developed characters
Each main character in anime gets lots of attention. Their story is fully shown, their reasons for being who they are, what made them take the path of opposing each other are all displayed and revealed gradually.
64. Perfect ratio of battles and social activities
Battles in anime dont last long, which is what makes them perfect. The anime gradually builds up to battle in each episode, creating excitement before battle. The battles themselves are quite changing and are impossible to predict as to what will happen.
65. Not much repetition
Most anime have repetitive things going on, but World Conquest Zvezda plot has almost no repetition. The plot goes from recruiting new member, to hiding, to solving local problems in city, to fighting White Light, to being captured, tested and have world turn against them, to exploring stories of each character, to escaping traps, to understanding how all characters feel, to having interviews with characters.
Con
#4
From the information I received, you are too invested in this anime to change your mind. You honestly believe that this anime is the best, not because it is good, but because it is comfortable.
The characters do not die; everything is sugar-coated, and they have no issues. This anime is intended to comfort you, and it does it successfully but it isn't that great.
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I guess the topic is a truism then.
Are you guys scared to accept this? Do I need to make it rated?
I am going to take this debate very seriously, since this anime is an important part of my life.