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Gay sex should not be accepted by society/gay sex is not promoted by (particularly U.S.)society.
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After 1 vote and with the same amount of points on both sides...
It's a tie!
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Round 1
Greetings, thank you.
As I may have heard, you can't bring the mountains to you, you indeed will go to the Himalayas.
So gay sex or homosexuality which specifically, homosexual sex is not promoted by society of where it is not so it is not accepted by in large meaning the forefront of major marketing, economically and commercially .
So homosexuality or homosexual images should not be in said society that promotes it not because there's no promotion.
It should not be accepted. If I'm not promoted or supported to have access to a particular room or safe I should not have a passcode that is accepted.
I should have no passcode.
The question is , in your everyday media, television, magazines, billboards, commercials, internet advertisements, particularly showcasing families, what do you see?
If what you're seeing is an indication of the times or the perpetuated message and image of what society to some level is holding at the forefront to maintain?
Of course there's compromise with images of toxic, harmful substances. Also the lewd , erotic, provocative images running rampant.
But rest assured the line is drawn in sexuality in spite of the laws and rights.
I'll drawn the line here with my introduction due to timing.
From what I can tell, your argument relies on three points.
- Gay sex is not accepted by society. ---> FALSE
- About three percent of Americans are openly homosexual.
- The vast majority of dating apps have options for homosexuals looking for love.
- Because gay sex in not accepted by society, there are no economic or social incentives for society to normalize gay sex. ---> FALSE
- There are economic incentives for pornography companies to disseminate gay porn to those who want it.
- The LGBTQ movement has created social incentives for Christian institutions to cease their denouncement of sodomy.
- Political pressure has created social incentives for gay-inclusive sexual education in high school.
- Because there are no incentives for society to normalize gay sex, no effort should be made to normalize gay sex. ---> FALSE
- There is a connection between the wealth and wellbeing of a country, and how much said country accepts LGBTQ practices. For instance, Iceland is both one of the happiest, and most accepting countries in the world.
Tangential side point.
- The Sacred Band of Thebes: Made famous in 371 BC at the Battle of Leuctra, this army of 300 male lovers fought more fiercely on the battlefield due to their romantic bonds.
Round 2
"From what I can tell, your argument relies on three points.
- Gay sex is not accepted by society. ---> FALSE
- About three percent of Americans are openly homosexual.
- The vast majority of dating apps have options for homosexuals looking for love.
This is not what I said and it shows you're not paying attention to all words. This is why I was more specific than what you said.
"So gay sex or homosexuality which specifically, homosexual sex is not promoted by society of where it is not "
So it is not going to be promoted in churches(society) where it is not preached for but against.
It is not promoted in advertisements where you see no representation. Upon doing a Google search on advertisements of families, the majority are heterosexual images. The marketers (society) are not putting homosexuality at the forefront which is a lack of promotion.
"Because gay sex in not accepted by society, there are no economic or social incentives for society to normalize gay sex. ---> FALSE
- There are economic incentives for pornography companies to disseminate gay porn to those who want it.
- The LGBTQ movement has created social incentives for Christian institutions to cease their denouncement of sodomy.
- Political pressure has created social incentives for gay-inclusive sexual education in high school."
Does heterosexual pornography and makers (society) of such content promote homosexuality?
Do non promoting homosexual behavior churches (society) promote homosexual behavior?
Why hasn't political pressure been put on advertisements to promote homosexual behavior on a prevalent scale ?
"Because there are no incentives for society to normalize gay sex, no effort should be made to normalize gay sex. ---> FALSE
- There is a connection between the wealth and wellbeing of a country, and how much said country accepts LGBTQ practices. For instance, Iceland is both one of the happiest, and most accepting countries in the world."
Why is there a lack to promote homosexuality to normalize it?
I didn't say tiny factions don't exist for homosexuality. But what is at the forefront for advertisements, talk shows, entertainment ,just about every love story? A homosexual depiction or heterosexual one?
Your Argument:
P1: Some parts of society do not accept people who eat shrimp.
P2: Looking around, I see nobody eating any shrimp.
C: Most of society does not accept people who eat shrimp.
Shrimp is an uncommon dish. That is the reason why you don’t see many people eating shrimp. Similarly, gay people are a minority. That is the reason why you don’t see many gay couples in advertisements.
What is at the forefront for advertisements, talk shows, entertainment, just about every love story? A homosexual depiction or heterosexual one?
If I am creating media, I will want to connect with as many people as possible. Since most people are heterosexual, my best bet is to make my characters heterosexual as well.
Still, as the world becomes more and more woke, there is an increasing demand for homosexual characters in media. This is happening even in places like Russia. This change is good because it is inspirational to find somebody like yourself in a book that you read, or in a movie that you watch.
American Freedom:
Much like the eagle, the LGBTQ flag is a symbol of freedom.
P1: Most Americans love freedom.
P2: Gay sex exercises freedom.
C: Most Americans love gay sex.
Now, Americans don't love gay sex in the sense that they wish to partake in it. But you get the point.
Round 3
" Similarly, gay people are a minority. That is the reason why you don’t see many gay couples in advertisements."
Ok my counter response, so called interracial heterosexual couples are a minority. However, the probability of seeing images of such are higher than that of homosexuality/same sex depictions.
Hence the heterosexual image is still being pushed as it is what sustains society.
Legalizing homosexual marriage was another facet to protect the group that supports government with tax dollars. Prudent political figures look for votes.
"If I am creating media, I will want to connect with as many people as possible. Since most people are heterosexual, my best bet is to make my characters heterosexual as well."
So that is a yes. The heterosexual image is promoted most , perpetuated as the reality reveals it is the basis in which society sustains itself.
If you're truly want to connect with as many people as possible, you should include other images of sexuality.
You just contradicted your own so called counterpoint. A Freudian slip that the heterosexual image is ingrained and will dominate and this failed counter attempt wouldn't even live up to going against the ingrained image. It dominated your counter.
"Still, as the world becomes more and more woke, there is an increasing demand for homosexual characters in media. This is happening even in places like Russia. This change is good because it is inspirational to find somebody like yourself in a book that you read, or in a movie that you watch."
Thank you. You just solidified my point further. The opposing side just contributed to that fact that if mass support existed, the representation would be present . It has nothing to do with minor prevalence.
"there is an increasing demand for homosexual characters in media"
If there was promotion for this as heterosexual images are, there would be no demand being adequately supplied already.
"American Freedom:
Much like the eagle, the LGBTQ flag is a symbol of freedom.
P1: Most Americans love freedom.
P2: Gay sex exercises freedom.
C: Most Americans love gay sex.
Now, Americans don't love gay sex in the sense that they wish to partake in it. But you get the point."
Excellent notes in any smart politician's notebook.
Nevertheless, it is not what is promoted for instance in advertisements. The sexuality of man and woman is pushed ...well ....because of what is in the advertisements, families, children. Of diverse colors by the way in one photo here and there.
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Round 4
I rest my case.
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Round 5
Case closed. I appreciate it.
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Ok sorry
Noted and appreciated. I’m taking appropriate measures.
>Vote: jonrohith // Mod action: Removed
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Reason for Removal: The voter does not justify any of their point allocation. It is not sufficient for the voter to give their opinion on the topic.
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Please remove jonrohith's vote. His reasoning has nothing to do with the actual content contained within the debate and he just makes a blunt, opinion-based statement.
If you go to his profile you will find he has repeatedly made similarly poor votes. I would advocate that you at least temporarily ban him from voting until he learns that the voting system here expects a basis of logic, thoroughly reading the material, and putting aside personal biases.
The title confuses me, as there seems to be two topics at once here . . .
Is the topic "Gay sex should not be accepted by society" or is the topic "Gay sex should not be promoted by (particularly U.S.) society" ?