Instigator / Pro

TheGreatSunGod

1500

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63.46%

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Topic

#6128

Satan's rebellion against God was not a selfish act

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

Winner

After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

TheGreatSunGod

Parameters

Publication date: 05.09.2025 08:43AM
Last updated date: 05.27.2025 02:17PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 5,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

NIGEL

1500

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debates

0.0%

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Description

Satan's rebellion definition is:
Act in which Satan, despite knowing he is outnumbered and much weaker, fought against God and his angels so that humans wouldnt have to obey God.

Selfish act definition is:
Act which only benefits one's wants and doesnt ever benefit wants of anyone else.

Bible wont be treated as a good source here.

Upon agreeing, Con accepts description as true and cannot ever change it.

Round 1

TheGreatSunGod

05.09.2025 02:09PM

Pro

Satan's rebellion definition is:

Act in which Satan, despite knowing he is outnumbered and much weaker, fought against God and his angels so that humans wouldnt have to obey God.

Selfish act definition is:

Act which only benefits one's wants and doesnt ever benefit wants of anyone else.

Bible wont be treated as a good source here.

Upon agreeing, Con accepts description as true and cannot ever change it.

So by definition, we see that Satan gave people a choice. "Wouldnt have to obey God" means people are no longer forced to. To be clear, Satan didnt prevent anyone from obeying God willingly now. Anyone who wants to obey God can do so now. However, Satan gave freedom to not obey God if people want to do something else instead. In this sense, Satan benefited wishes of those who dont want to obey God.

Satan didnt fight for himself there. He fought for others. He didnt want to see people being forced to serve God forever. Instead, he gave them a chance to serve their own wishes. Satan doesnt take away your choice. He is the reason you have a choice.

Even if you consider Satan evil, he is still the one who sacrificed his place in heaven so that you could choose your own destiny. He gave up on everything he had just to give you a choice. He rebelled against a tyrannical God so that today you wouldnt be that God's slave. Satan gave you your free will and knowledge.

Many people today praise Satan for what he did there. For gift of their free will and choice. Even Christians, when praising free will, praise Satan.

Tree of knowledge is a great gift from Satan. The apple which gives us both knowledge and choice. Satan knew that not many people will follow him now, but that didnt stop him from even giving choice to those people.

In reality, you wouldnt even be able to choose God if it wasnt for Satan himself. Choice demands multiple options. One option isnt choice by definition. If it wasnt for Satan, no one would ever even choose God. Everyone would be brain dead slaves.

So Satan benefited all people by giving them all a choice. Some chose God anyway. Some chose Satan who gave them a choice in first place. Now all have choice. All are now free.

NIGEL

05.11.2025 02:09PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 2

TheGreatSunGod

05.11.2025 02:17PM

Pro

Opponent forfeited. Satan wins.

NIGEL

05.13.2025 02:17PM

Con

Forfeited

TheRizzler

05.13.2025 02:33PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Bro keeps using sneaky descriptions that almost gift him the win. Anyways, full FF from Con.