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Do we really need school?

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Round 1
Con
#1



Point: The structure of traditional schooling—fixed schedules, standardized curricula, and one-size-fits-all assessments—was designed in the industrial age to produce factory workers, not creative, adaptive thinkers.

  • Schools prioritize obedience, memorization, and conformity over critical thinking, problem-solving, and creativity—skills now in highest demand.
  • Employers increasingly value experience, practical skills, and soft skills (communication, adaptability) over formal credentials, especially in tech and creative industries.
Information is Now Free and Abundant
Point: The internet has democratized access to information, making centralized institutions less necessary for learning.

  • Platforms like YouTube, Khan Academy, Coursera, edX, and others offer high-quality, often free, education from experts around the world.
  • Self-taught developers, designers, writers, and entrepreneurs are thriving, often outperforming their degree-holding peers.
Reality: A 2022 LinkedIn report found that 72% of hiring managers believed certifications or practical experience could substitute for a degree in many roles.

School Often Fails at Its Core Purpose
Point: Schools are supposed to prepare students for life—but they routinely fail in areas such as financial literacy, emotional intelligence, mental health, and real-world problem-solving.

  • Students graduate without knowing how taxes work, how to manage debt, or how to navigate healthcare and housing.
  • Meanwhile, hours are spent on abstract subjects rarely used outside academia.
Evidence: The U.S. ranks near the bottom in financial literacy among developed nations despite having some of the highest school attendance rates.

Mental Health Crisis and Burnout
Point: School environments can be harmful to students’ mental health, promoting stress, anxiety, and depression.

  • The pressure to achieve high grades, constant testing, and lack of autonomy lead to burnout.
  • Schools often fail to support neurodiverse or mentally ill students, pushing them toward dropout or disengagement.
Reality: According to the CDC, more than 1 in 3 high school students reported persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness in recent years—a figure that has risen alongside academic pressures.


Alternative Models Are Proving More Effective
Point: Unschooling, homeschooling, and project-based learning are producing well-adjusted, intellectually curious individuals without the need for traditional schools.

  • These models prioritize passion, autonomy, and real-world learning.
  • Studies show homeschooled students often perform better academically and socially than their traditionally schooled peers.
Example: Finland’s education system, which de-emphasizes standardized testing and homework, consistently ranks among the best globally in student well-being and achievement.

Conclusion
We don’t need school—not in the rigid, traditional sense. What we need are learning systems that are flexible, relevant, humane, and personalized. Education should not be about enduring a system; it should be about igniting curiosity and preparing individuals for a life of meaning, not just employment. In a world where knowledge is freely available and innovation is driven by adaptability, the school as we know it is no longer a necessity—it is a relic.







Pro
#2
First off I would like to thank my opponent for having me in this debate. Now let's begin.

Definitions:

Need: For this debate, we can equate 'is school needed?'  with 'is school important for our society to function?'

The burden of proof for Con in this debate is:
1. School is not necessary for our society to function.
2. School should not be a public requirement.

Arguments:

Point: The structure of traditional schooling—fixed schedules, standardized curricula, and one-size-fits-all assessments—was designed in the industrial age to produce factory workers, not creative, adaptive thinkers.

  • Schools prioritize obedience, memorization, and conformity over critical thinking, problem-solving, and creativity—skills now in highest demand.
  • Employers increasingly value experience, practical skills, and soft skills (communication, adaptability) over formal credentials, especially in tech and creative industries.
This is an interesting point. To summarize, my opponent is saying that public schooling is not good at growing creative thinkers, and creative thinkers are growing more important and valuable in the modern era. However this point does not show that we need to get rid of school at all. While it suggests that more artistic subjects in school would be valuable, it fails to highlight the uselessness of modern public school. Modern public school teaches subjects that are essential for day-to-day life. Without public school, there is no guarantee that everyone will learn basic things that are essential for life such as basic math, spelling, and grammar. Without public school, our society would likely crumble.

Information is Now Free and Abundant
Point: The internet has democratized access to information, making centralized institutions less necessary for learning.

  • Platforms like YouTube, Khan Academy, Coursera, edX, and others offer high-quality, often free, education from experts around the world.
  • Self-taught developers, designers, writers, and entrepreneurs are thriving, often outperforming their degree-holding peers.
While this argument points out that the information taught in schools is available to the public, it again fails to face the problem of guaranteeing the basic education of all or even most Americans. Public school is required by the US government, meaning everyone is guaranteed to be given a basic education. If public school is deemed 'not need' and is no longer enforced, then many children will doubtlessly find themselves uneducated and unable to find a steady job when they grow up. 

School Often Fails at Its Core Purpose
Point: Schools are supposed to prepare students for life—but they routinely fail in areas such as financial literacy, emotional intelligence, mental health, and real-world problem-solving.

  • Students graduate without knowing how taxes work, how to manage debt, or how to navigate healthcare and housing.
  • Meanwhile, hours are spent on abstract subjects rarely used outside academia.
Evidence: The U.S. ranks near the bottom in financial literacy among developed nations despite having some of the highest school attendance rates.
My opponent raises the point that school doesn't prepare students for many important things in life, such as emotional intelligence and mental health crises. However this is a weak argument for proving public school is unnecessary.
1. I reject the statement 'Schools are supposed to prepare students for life' in favor of 'schools are supposed to prepare students for finding work'. I do not believe school is responsible for a student's EQ or mental health. Also, if a student has a low EQ or doesn't understand finances, removing public school does nothing to help with that. 
2. I cannot accept either of your bullet points or your 'evidence' as factual without a cited source.

Mental Health Crisis and Burnout
Point: School environments can be harmful to students’ mental health, promoting stress, anxiety, and depression.

  • The pressure to achieve high grades, constant testing, and lack of autonomy lead to burnout.
  • Schools often fail to support neurodiverse or mentally ill students, pushing them toward dropout or disengagement.
Reality: According to the CDC, more than 1 in 3 high school students reported persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness in recent years—a figure that has risen alongside academic pressures.
While school can be stressful, that simply does not outweigh the necessity of a basic education. Stress, anxiety, and depression can follow from any kind of social setting where an adolescent isn't completely comfortable, that doesn't necessarily make the cause a bad thing. Your bullet points and 'reality' again have no source to back them up, and so must be treated as empty claims for the time being.

Alternative Models Are Proving More Effective
Point: Unschooling, homeschooling, and project-based learning are producing well-adjusted, intellectually curious individuals without the need for traditional schools.

  • These models prioritize passion, autonomy, and real-world learning.
  • Studies show homeschooled students often perform better academically and socially than their traditionally schooled peers.
Example: Finland’s education system, which de-emphasizes standardized testing and homework, consistently ranks among the best globally in student well-being and achievement.
While homeschooling may be better for children in general, it can't replace public school as it's not available for everyone due to 
a. busy parents
b. affordability and enforceability
Curriculums cost money, so my opponent would need to list a detailed plan for replacement of public school. If public school is not replaceable, it is in fact 'needed' in our society. Also my opponent pointed out that Finland has a great system. That counts as school! That example actually strengthens my position that public school is a good thing and is necessary for our society. Con seems to have forgotten that he is advocating to stop enforcing public school, and not for a better school system.

In conclusion, my opponent failed to prove that
1. School is unnecessary 
2. School should stop being enforced

I would also like to add that I am in no way against the idea of changing our school system to be more flexible or better for kids, but I believe our nation does need a public school that is mandatory and freely available for all citizens.

I look forward to Con's next arguments and rebuttals.
Round 2
Con
#3
Thank you to my opponent for their thoughtful response. I will now offer a rebuttal to their key points while clarifying and strengthening the original argument.

1. 
Misunderstanding the Thesis


Let’s be clear: I am not arguing that learning or education is unimportant. I am arguing that traditional, compulsory public school systems are not necessary for a functioning society in the modern world. That’s the core of our motion. The opposition’s repeated argument—that “basic education is essential”—actually aligns with me. The disagreement is how that education is best delivered.

2. 
Guaranteeing Basic Education


My opponent asserts that without school, people won’t learn basic math, spelling, or grammar. But this assumes:

  • Families won’t educate their children unless forced.
  • Alternative models are incapable of providing foundational skills.


Counterpoint:

  • Homeschooling, microschools, and digital platforms can and do teach these fundamentals—often more effectively and more flexibly.
  • The U.S. Department of Education has reported that homeschooled students consistently outperform public school students in reading, writing, and math.
  • Countries with minimal to no compulsory schooling laws (like some regions in the Netherlands and Denmark) maintain high literacy and numeracy rates through community-based and parent-driven systems.


Public school is one way to deliver education—not the only way, and certainly not the most efficient or equitable in many cases.

3. 
Responsibility of Schools


My opponent reframes school as being only responsible for producing workers—not preparing individuals for life. I reject this narrow view.

Schools are publicly funded institutions. If they are not serving holistic developmental needs—mental health, financial literacy, communication—they are failing at their mandate.

Furthermore, school systems claim to be educating the “whole child.” Their own mission statements and federal funding goals include social-emotional learning. If schools aren’t responsible for preparing people for life, why do we devote nearly $800 billion annually in the U.S. to them?

You don’t get to have it both ways—if public school is “needed,” it must actually be doing what it promises. Right now, it isn’t.

4. 
Mental Health and Environment


The opposition dismisses the mental health crisis as a general adolescent issue—not a systemic flaw in schooling. This is misleading.

Rebuttal:

  • CDC data (2023) does in fact confirm: 42% of high school students report persistent sadness and hopelessness. Academic stress, bullying, and lack of autonomy in school environments are among the top self-reported causes.
  • School is not a neutral space—it actively causes distress for many, especially neurodiverse, LGBTQ+, or low-income students who are disproportionately underserved and punished in traditional systems.


A system that damages nearly half its participants while failing to prepare them practically is not “needed”—it’s broken.

5. 
“No Alternative” Fallacy


The opposition claims we can’t replace school because some families are too busy or poor. This is a false dilemma.

Counterpoint:

  • We can redirect public funding toward flexible models like hybrid schooling, co-ops, and community-led programs.
  • The technology already exists; what’s lacking is the political will to expand it.
  • Saying “we need school because not everyone can afford homeschooling” ignores the fact that school itself is already publicly funded. That same money can fund better, decentralized options.


And no, I haven’t “forgotten” that Finland has schools. The point is: Finland’s model proves the need isn’t for school as we know it, but for adaptable, learner-centered systems—the opposite of most U.S. public schools.

Final Clarification


  • My opponent repeatedly says I didn’t prove school is “unnecessary.” But I did:
    • We can deliver basic education without compulsory schools.
    • The current system is failing in cost, results, and humanity.
    • Better alternatives already exist and are growing fast.
To say “we need school because we’ve always had it” is an appeal to tradition, not a compelling defense.

Conclusion

We do not need traditional school. We need education—but in forms that are relevant, flexible, and empowering. The school system, as it exists today, is not sacred. It’s a 19th-century tool in a 21st-century world. Clinging to it isn’t safety—it’s stagnation.

Thank you and I look forward to your next debate.


Pro
#4
I thank my opponent for their thoughtful response. Now I will get straight into rebuttals.

1. 
Misunderstanding the Thesis


Let’s be clear: I am not arguing that learning or education is unimportant. I am arguing that traditional, compulsory public school systems are not necessary for a functioning society in the modern world. That’s the core of our motion. The opposition’s repeated argument—that “basic education is essential”—actually aligns with me. The disagreement is how that education is best delivered.
I would argue that, due to the wording of the title of this debate, I am not 'misunderstanding the thesis', but rather my opponent is changing his position on the matter.

I would like to remind everyone of Con's official thesis: 'We do not need school'.
Con's thesis is not: 'The modern school system is outdated and unnecessary'.

If Con had the second thesis, he would be able to argue for a change in America's school system. However, due to the wording of his actual thesis, he must show that school (I'm just counting this as in-person schools to give my opponent a fighting chance) is not needed in our society, and therefore should not be required or government funded. While I am aware the last part is not in his resolution, they follow logically from it. 

2. 
Guaranteeing Basic Education


My opponent asserts that without school, people won’t learn basic math, spelling, or grammar. But this assumes:

  • Families won’t educate their children unless forced.
  • Alternative models are incapable of providing foundational skills.


Counterpoint:

  • Homeschooling, microschools, and digital platforms can and do teach these fundamentals—often more effectively and more flexibly.
  • The U.S. Department of Education has reported that homeschooled students consistently outperform public school students in reading, writing, and math.
  • Countries with minimal to no compulsory schooling laws (like some regions in the Netherlands and Denmark) maintain high literacy and numeracy rates through community-based and parent-driven systems.


Public school is one way to deliver education—not the only way, and certainly not the most efficient or equitable in many cases.
This counter argument has unfortunately missed the point I was making. A basic education needs to be guaranteed for all Americans (we don't want homeless illiterate 30 year olds in the streets), and if public school is removed, not everyone will get a basic education. As I already pointed out earlier, homeschool and technological options are not always available for everyone, and Con failed to provide a plan for providing nation-wide education without public school. While of course options like homeschooling can be great for kids, those options are simply not available for everyone. I agree with Con that public school is not the only way to educate. But, if we were rid of public school, society would be negatively impacted at the very least.

3. 
Responsibility of Schools


My opponent reframes school as being only responsible for producing workers—not preparing individuals for life. I reject this narrow view.

Schools are publicly funded institutions. If they are not serving holistic developmental needs—mental health, financial literacy, communication—they are failing at their mandate.

Furthermore, school systems claim to be educating the “whole child.” Their own mission statements and federal funding goals include social-emotional learning. If schools aren’t responsible for preparing people for life, why do we devote nearly $800 billion annually in the U.S. to them?

You don’t get to have it both ways—if public school is “needed,” it must actually be doing what it promises. Right now, it isn’t.
Con says that schools have to be responsible for developmental needs because they are publicly funded. I disagree. That's not an official requirement, it's just my opponent's opinion. It's not a 'mandate' they are failing to meet. The third line lacks a source again and should be treated as an empty claim. Overall, even if everything in my opponent's point was true, he would still fail to prove that school is unnecessary altogether. A basic education is necessary for all Americans, and while it may be nice if schools focused more on developmental needs, the lack of that pursuit does not make schools 'unneeded'.

4. 
Mental Health and Environment


The opposition dismisses the mental health crisis as a general adolescent issue—not a systemic flaw in schooling. This is misleading.

Rebuttal:

  • CDC data (2023) does in fact confirm: 42% of high school students report persistent sadness and hopelessness. Academic stress, bullying, and lack of autonomy in school environments are among the top self-reported causes.
  • School is not a neutral space—it actively causes distress for many, especially neurodiverse, LGBTQ+, or low-income students who are disproportionately underserved and punished in traditional systems.


A system that damages nearly half its participants while failing to prepare them practically is not “needed”—it’s broken.
1. Bad aspects that come with public school don't make it 'unneeded'. While unfortunate, doing away with school is hardly the best solution.
2. A special ed student can go to a special ed school. If public school isn't a good fit for them, that doesn't mean public school is unnecessary for our society.
3. While bullying may be a problem for schools, there could be a variety of other solutions in favor of getting rid of school, such as increased adult supervision.
4. There is again no cited source.

“No Alternative” Fallacy


The opposition claims we can’t replace school because some families are too busy or poor. This is a false dilemma.

Counterpoint:

  • We can redirect public funding toward flexible models like hybrid schooling, co-ops, and community-led programs.
  • The technology already exists; what’s lacking is the political will to expand it.
  • Saying “we need school because not everyone can afford homeschooling” ignores the fact that school itself is already publicly funded. That same money can fund better, decentralized options.


And no, I haven’t “forgotten” that Finland has schools. The point is: Finland’s model proves the need isn’t for school as we know it, but for adaptable, learner-centered systems—the opposite of most U.S. public schools.
1. Hybrid schooling still counts as school, and thus supports my side of the debate. My opponent is again forgetting that he must advocate against all in person schooling. Additionally, Con is suggesting a different schooling framework that is still in-person! This again supports my resolution that school is an important and good thing.

Final Clarification


  • My opponent repeatedly says I didn’t prove school is “unnecessary.” But I did:
    • We can deliver basic education without compulsory schools.
    • The current system is failing in cost, results, and humanity.
    • Better alternatives already exist and are growing fast.
To say “we need school because we’ve always had it” is an appeal to tradition, not a compelling defense.
To conclude this debate, Con failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that 'school is unneeded'. He failed to address the problem of: Without required schools that are publicly available, a basic education for everyone is not guaranteed. He pointed out that alternatives exist, that may be superior in many ways, but they are not  all available to everyone. And the 'better' alternatives that are available for everyone are still a kind of school, and thus strengthen my position that school is good and necessary in our society.

Thank you to my opponent and any potential judges/readers of this debate. That is all.