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#6219
One should defend the weak against the powerful
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After 6 votes and with the same amount of points on both sides...
It's a tie!
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Round 1
In any situation, there are only these options:
1. Defend the weak against the powerful
2. Dont defend the weak against the powerful ones
Option 2 simply means letting powerful ones do whatever they want to the weak.
Option 1 means acting to protect the weak now. Option 1 has many types of act there, but at least one of those types is better than option 2.
My opponent might bring up 2 arguments here:
-The weak deserved it
-Option 2 guarantees our own survival.
Argument of weak ones deserving it is not true, as by definition, weak ones cannot defend themselves and thus are of no threat to the powerful ones. However, defending them in some way could improve how they are treated.
Argument that option 2 guarantees our own survival is misleading, as survival isnt everything. In fact, dying to protect the weak is preferable to living and not protecting them, as the latter means being obedient to the powerful ones, which is a curse and emptyness of the mind more than it is life.
Further, being obedient to the powerful ones does not guarantee survival. Once they destroy the weak, the powerful ones become divided and competition for power makes them fight each other then. Serving power is self-destructive, as pure rule of power is always self-destructive. When powerful destroy the weak, the powerful turn against each other because even among powerful ones there are more and less powerful ones there. The idea that power is desirable makes powerful ones try to gain power over other powerful ones.
Welcome, everyone.
Let me begin with the famous theory by Charles Darwin —
"Survival of the Fittest."
This doesn't apply just to animals — it applies to humans as well.
Why I Disagree with “One Should Defend the Weak Against the Powerful ”it may seem noble to always support the weak. But in reality, when the weak are constantly supported by the powerful, they become even weaker. Why? Because they begin to rely on that help, and stop trying to improve themselves. They become dependent — not independent.
Even as my opponent (Pro) rightly said:
“Being obedient to the powerful ones does not guarantee survival.”Exactly! And the same applies here — support may offer temporary comfort, but not long-term strength.
💪 Power or Weakness is a Mindset
In nature, no one is born powerful or permanently weak. These are not fixed labels.
Anyone can become strong — it depends on the mindset, effort, and experience.
We humans are living proof. We evolved over centuries by:
- Hunting for food,
- Surviving harsh environments, and
- Thinking creatively to solve problems.
We are descendants of warriors, hunters, and survivors.
Every human being carries that spark inside. It just needs to be awakened.
A Simple Example :
Humans and Dogs
Take dogs, for example.Long ago, humans helped wild dogs. We gave them food, shelter, safety. Over time, they became pets.Now, most dogs can't survive without human help.This shows how constant support can lead to dependency, not strength. Real Strength is About Self-Survival
Let’s face it — in today’s world, trust is rare.
You can’t always rely on someone to save you.
And supporting the weak blindly can sometimes become a burden on the strong.
Instead, the best help you can give the weak is to inspire them to grow stronger.
"Weak ones may not be able to defend themselves now…
But they can become strong anytime.
It’s all about mindset.
No one is born weak — and no one is born strong.
Also, 5 weak people together can defeat 1 strong person."
I appreciate all who voted for me. Keep doing that.
I apologize for my previous vote. I expanded the font size of my vote, and realized the several mistakes made in it because I am reaching a point that my eyesight is failing because I simply cannot see the small font used as the standard on this site. Yes, I need glasses, finally. I knew this day was coming, but I have resisted that it's here. Off to the eye doc. I copied and pasted into my own word processor and realized what a bolluxed job I made of it, so I edited and re-wrote it. Sorry for the inconvenience. Gave me an opportunity to clarify.
Enjoy trip , don't waste your time for people like me, i have more time these days, so i am freee
meow whiteflame
sorry , i not know about your situation
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>Reported Vote: fauxlaw // Mod action: Removed
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>Points Awarded: 1 to Pro
>Reason for Decision:
Resolution; "One should defend the weak against the powerful" This is deceptively simple, and Pro's primary BoP is one of morality, and neither "fineness" to enable defense, nor necessarily superior strategy to overcome superior power, but merely the will to defend, regardless of outcome.
Con's mistake is attempting to imply by "defend" that this requires adequate "fitness" and declares this is a Darwinian principle that superior "fitness" equals superior power, thus the bolted statement leading Con's argument: "when the weak are constantly supported by the powerful, they become even weaker. " By this claim, it is obvious, for example, that the British, having the superior armed forces durns the American Revolution, should have been victorious. Con's argument is defeated by Pro's superior argument that, one, :"fitness" does not necessarily equate to greater strength, but greater will. Thus,
pro's superior argument "Power or Weakness is a Mindset." pro acknowledges that physical strength may, indeed overwhelm weakness of mind, but Con is unsuccessful in rebutting the original Resultion that it weakness is not merely depended on physical strength to overcome a greater power.
Therefore, Pro's Reolution, and his strength of argument for it, wins.
>Reason for Mod Action:
The voter does go through specific points made by both debaters, but seems to attribute them to opposite sides, so it's hard to tell whether this vote is awarding points correctly. The reasoning needs some clarification.
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Meow Akbar!
Maybe just accept that it’s a Sunday morning here, that I’m planning for a trip today and have limited time, that I nonetheless woke up and quickly tried to respond to you, then apologized for my error. Maybe don’t be a jerk about it.
ok, If any other ask you will remove quick , if i ask you will question 100 times.
It will have to wait. I’ve got more than enough on my plate this morning.
Its time to remove vote, he can revote as you[whiteflame] found the mistake.
here evening
Alright, there does appear to be some confusion of who has which points, as some are ascribed to the wrong debater. Sorry, it’s early in the morning here.
Fauxlaw, you’re probably going to have to rewrite this one. Not really sure which side you think did better based on the arguments you’re quoting and emphasizing.
how my argument makes opponent win ,
"💪 Power or Weakness is a Mindset
In nature, no one is born powerful or permanently weak. These are not fixed labels.
Anyone can become strong — it depends on the mindset, effort, and experience."
This is said by me, check my argument.
he said that pro is saying that sentence, but pro not said that or related to it, in fact that is said by me
I don’t think fauxlaw is confused here. It’s strange for him to put those words in quotes when they weren’t directly stated in the debate, but he’s referencing your arguments on fitness, not your opponent’s. And much as the specific words “Power or Weakness is a Mindset” don’t appear in the debate in that order, he is clear about what arguments he’s referencing when he discusses that. So I disagree that he’s creating new arguments just by giving them new titles, and his analysis takes into account individual points that do come from the debate. This vote would stand under the voting policy.
fauxlaw is creating new arguments , instead of analyzing the arguments.
moreover fauxlaw added his own words like[ "fitness" does not necessarily equate to greater strength, but greater will. Thus,
pro's superior argument "Power or Weakness is a Mindset."] he say these are said by pro, but pro tells nothing of these.
Remove the vote of fauxlaw, i think he is confused , in his reason he saying that pro said" power or weakness is a mindset" but you can check pro never said this in his argument, that is told in my argument, how can he vote for pro by saying my arguments.
no problemo////: )
Thank you for vote!
I doubt that. No one likes your standards.
In the Arena we allow the weak to die and only the strong remain. https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/68409/
So many boomers in this world.
Oh, look — another CLASSIC example of someone losing an argument and then whining about how their opponent made it. Let me spell this out for you: using technology does not mean you outsource your brain to it. There's a difference between refining your ideas and replacing them. You think you're edgy calling people “uncles” for expecting you to string a coherent sentence together in the language you're debating in? It’s not being an uncle, it’s being educated. If basic grammar hurts your ego, maybe the real problem isn’t the platform — it’s your inability to use it well. You're ranting about “people who oppose technology” while failing to realise it’s not the tool, it’s the user. A debate is not won by who used ChatGPT — it’s won by who knew what they were doing. And clearly, you didn’t. Also, news flash: calling someone out for being illogical, incoherent, or for plagiarising content without understanding it is not being old-school — it’s being honest. So don’t deflect with your prehistoric “stone age” comment. We’re not in the stone age, but clearly, your arguments still are. So next time, before you accuse someone of using tools — learn to sharpen your own. Because right now, you’re swinging around a blunt stick and calling it a sword.
Go and debate on stage why you using this platform. I can't understand why such people opposing use of new technologies , These uncles want to live in stone age, but mistake they are born now.
So let me get this straight — the con wants to debate constitutional rights and serious issues like free speech, but struggles to frame a single coherent sentence in English? If we're here to debate in English, the bare minimum expectation is clarity of language. This isn’t a WhatsApp group argument — this is a debate platform where your command over the language you choose to debate in actually matters.
If your base essay needs to be rewritten entirely by AI to make sense to readers, maybe spend more time understanding the language before entering high-stakes debates on constitutional logic. Debate is not just about throwing around buzzwords like “tool” and “knife” — it’s abomut structuring thoughts clearly, presenting rational arguments, and yes, knowing the language you’re speaking in.If you can't even express a point without grammatical chaos, why exactly are you debating its importance?
Base essay is written by me and its style and grammar is improved by chatgpt for better understanding of all people.
ok.
No, I mean, if powerful attack the weak, one should defend the weak even if it means standing up to powerful then.
Can you clarify me this topic, I think you saying Powerful people should protect weak people, whether it is mentally or physically.