Fashion is not sustainable it creates more pollution.
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Fashion- That is buying dresses which are in current trend, buying dress for showcase, using synthetic fibres,. more complex dresses.
RFV Short
Conduct equal.
Legibility equal.
Sources both backed each sides arguments.
Arguments to Con for attacking debate title/premise/definitions. It is my view they were able to argue fashion being sustainable as long as humans, and to mitigate arguments of the 'depth of fashions pollution effects.
Though I 'do think Pro has a point, that we should 'try to pollute less.
RFV Extended
Description,
I wonder if fashion being defined this way will be a problem for Con.
Pro Round 1
A problem for Pro, I think, is their enlarging the definition of fashion.
When your definition includes nonpolluting methods, the 'problem of fashion pollution is quite 'easy to solve. Stopping using synthetic fibers.
Source isn't 'that bad, but might be a bit vague in places.
What would carbon emissions and wastewater damage be with natural fibers?
I might have mentioned landfills.
Con Round 1
Points out Title, Not sustainable. Creates pollution.
The title 'is a bit vague when is says sustainable.
And there's the option of changing fashion to be less pollutable, yet still existing, given how long it has existed, and what a simple concept it is.
Pro Round 2
'Problem with definition of sustainable.
Cons argument that fashion even in it's current form is sustainable even to humanities end, and will not 'be our end in itself, is strong.
Something can be sustainable, even if it has negative repercussions.
. . . Mad Max has a lot of fashion in it.
IF the debate was we ought to focus on making fashion less pollutive, I think Pro would have an easier time in this debate. But that was not the title or description.
Con Round 2
Has focused in on exact meaning, legal thinking, not 'spirit of what was meant.
But in fairness, 'what Con 'meant by this debate, has possibly only become more clear 'now in Round 2, that's a bit late.
Con includes a source, possibly 'just to guard against Pro having a source but not Con.
. . . Source isn't 'bad as it backs Cons argument of there being options to decrease pollution in world, other than 'just changing current fashion industry.
Pro Round 3
I don't think Pro backpedaled, but I think Debate Instigators are best off with 'clear explanations of what they are getting at, from the start in Title and Description.
Titles don't need to be perfect, even playful titles are fine, 'so 'long as debate description clearly lays out what is being debated, goalposts, and guidelines.
. . . Though doing so can also 'railroad debate a bit at times.
Interesting try by Pro with Con in Round 1 stating,
". Fashion wouldn't be sustainable, even if it didn't contribute to pollution. "
The lack of definition of Sustainability in the debate however, leaves voters more free to use their own commonsense definitions.
Eventually the sun might explode, commonsense definition of what is 'sustainable doesn't extend that far.
Con 'does say that fashion will last as long as humans, while humans 'may want some of their creations or functions? To last beyond the human race, lasting as long as the human race is sufficient,
And Con 'did make the argument that Fashion alone will not kill humans significantly earlier.
Con
Pro 'did give a source in round 1 with some percentages.
But the effects and lifespan 'were a bit vague.
The whole entire debate kind of got sidetracked, but there was one thing that helped con win and that was source,
Since he added a source during his argument, he is right to receive one point.
One point added to pro since he put in statistics and some chracteristics of debating, otherwise he gets no other points since he kept refusing
Argument:
The instigator, Pro, offers a problematic Resolution: "Fashion is not sustainable it creates more pollution," because it makes assumptions argued and not argued, and reaches conclusions assumed to be fact, but still exist in the realm of theory, i.e., unknown. Quite simply, pro's Resolution begins with a truism: fashion definitively is not sustainable in single example. Fasion is a consumable, like food. It is consumed and must be re-acquired. The following quote from pro's R1 demonstrates the theory/fact conflict: "As of recent data, approximately 60% of clothing materials worldwide are synthetic fibers such as polyester, nylon, and acrylic, which are derived from fossil fuels and are non-biodegradable These synthetic fibers can take hundreds of years to decompose in landfills..." First, Pro claims synthetic fibers are non-biodegradable, then immediately follows with them taking hundreds of years to decompose. These are contradictory claims. His sources admit the same conflict. But the claim of non-biodegration does not support the Resolution's concern of either non-sustainability nor pollution. Further, pro argued "the fashion industry is responsible for about 10% of global carbon emissions," but did not cite a source for this claim. See notes posted in comments. Pro's citation of "Environmental Cost of fast Fashion..." itself, makes this critical mistake, merely passions on rumor. Will someone cite a credible source, pls?
Con's R1 argument repeats the problematic Resolution, pointing to its assumptions, then argues successfully that the notion of sustainable fashion is basically a circular argument t because fashion, even if environmentally friendly, would not be sustainable. It's an irrefutable argument: like other consumables, like food, fashion must be replenished.
Pro's R2 ignores the truism factor of his Resolution and argues unsuccessfully that Con has not refuted his argument, whereas Con's R1 is nothing but refutation. pro appears married to his truism, and digs a deeper hole of it: "He is failed to give any ideas or alternative to make fashion pollution free." But that argument is not Con's BoP, because, Con will rebut [R2] "First he says, fashion is not sustainable because it creates pollution. And now he says that the answer is to use less fashion." Very good rebuttal.
Pro [R2] "Con should provide enough arguments and ideas to how make fashion pollution free." Pro needed to worry less about Con's BoP and see to his own, but this will continue to be Pro's downfall. Agaon, it is not Con's BoP to address pollution-free fashion, because of the truism of Pro's Resolution; Fashion is not sustainable. Con's R2 set's the proper tone of this debate with a seven-word answer for his BoP, and Pro's as well: What Are the Solutions to Climate Change? - a sourced rebuttal which, effectively, wins the argument.
Pro's R3 just perpetuates the problems with his argument.
Con wins arguments.
Sources; con's sources exemplified in Argument section are sufficient t to win sourcing points.
Legibility: Though pro's arguments are legible, the confusion therein is also apparent by self-contradiction. Con's legibility wins the day
Conduct is tied
Re; your #4 post;
Yes, and all those sources are basically reading each other, none of them have credible sourcing of their own such as to a pure researched and peer-reviewed article with back-up scientific data to sustain the claims made, such as the claim that 10% of all carbon emission is from the fashion industry. You made the claim that discarded fashion takes hundreds of years to decompose [after claiming it is not biodegradable at all!] but a large tree can take that long as well, and that is an entirely organic thing. Same with dinosaurs, only they could take much, much longer to decompose. So, decomposition is no argument in your favor.
Voting notes:
Pro claimed in R1 [not sourced] "the fashion industry is responsible for about 10% of global carbon emissions.' I entered this string as a search string and found about a half-dozen [there were more, but I stopped looking] sites making the same exact claim, but none were credible, science-based articles with attributable studied coming to that conclusion. They are all using much the same verbiage without sourcing their information, either. This is a prevalent problem with the internet. Everyone claims data without sourcing their data, and saying it in much the same language, leaving the suspicion that they're reading the same source articles, and none of them have credible proof of the claim, just borrowing from one another, which essentially counts as rumor, not fact.
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