Transgenderism and homosexuality are part of the nature

I'd rather lose than debate on something that we do agree on. It's morally indefensible because in this case I overtly said I wanted to have a serious debate

But then you lose.

uhh for objectives reasons I won't debate with someone that has my same point of view. case closed

People often in conversations defend same goal by insulting some other people, gossiping.

no I wanted to do a serious debate to maybe understand other points of view, if we both defend the same thing, what even is the point?

We can both defend the topic.

uhhh it's actually the topic yk

I plan to defend transgenderism in a debate!

god lucy you support transgenderism it wasn't for you...

anyone just accept this debate...

you are barking each other making it like a forum, it's a debate, use the comments wisely because it's embarrassing otherwise.🙏

You are cute.

Then you're nothing but a coward who barks and insults others, but when it's time to prove yourself, you run away. This site isn't for 10 year olds. I recommend going and doing something more productive.

I dont need to.

I agree. Human beings participate in stuff like war and that doesn't benefit us at all. We make junk food that kills us, and murder eachother for literally no reason. It isn't good for our survival at all

Lucy, if I'm wrong, tell me how. Because it seems like you can't. All you do is talk and you're wasting your own time.

Pierre, ik what you're talking about. But that doesn't change what I said at all. Just because frogs are gay doesn't make it good for them, because they can't continue the family. I'm assuming you didn't even read what I said. Biology is part of nature bro.

Just because something occurs naturally, doesn't make it good at all. You're going to have to prove to me that changing your gender (which can lead to infertility, this is proven bro) or being gay is good for our species, because it really isn't.

wtf does that even mean, for 'in nature' is blatant that I'm referring BIOLOGICALLY

Yes. . . Give in to the SUS.
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People 'do use nature or natural in a vague general way though.

Nature sometimes operating in a way that brings benefits,
While going against one's nature can lead to errors and discomfort.

I find humans interesting in how 'much we've changed our environments and behaviors, and how quickly.
Some ways, contrary to a more archaic and natural human, I think result in more happiness and life for us.
Other ways, contrary to a more archaic and natural human, actually end up 'worse for us, I think.

If one believes in the hunter gatherer theory,
Well, farming sure allows us to grow a lot of food.

But 'sitting at a desk all day, doesn't seem as healthy as moving about and socializing.

You are talking some nonsense.

Lucy, are you actually serious? I feel like you're just a troll honestly.

Anyway, pierre, im assuming that you believe that natural = good or that if animals do it, we should do it too.

Saying "it's natural" doesn't mean it's automatically good or morally right. Humans are part of nature, so technically everything we do — wars, pollution, genocide, you name it — is "natural" in that sense. But that doesn't mean it’s morally acceptable. That’s called the naturalistic fallacy — assuming something is right just because it happens in nature. It’s lazy logic.

If your argument is based on what animals do, that’s extremely flawed. Animals kill their own babies (lions do this when taking over a pride), some force themselves on others (look into duck mating behavior — it's brutal), and others even play with their prey for fun (like orcas tossing seals). These are all “natural,” but are they things we’d ever use to justify human behavior? No. Because we have morality, reason, and the ability to choose right from wrong — things most animals don’t operate with.

So when someone says, “Homosexuality or transgenderism is natural,” sure — there are documented cases of same-sex behavior in over 1,500 animal species. Gender nonconformity also exists in some species (like clownfish changing sex). But just pointing out that something exists in nature doesn’t mean it’s morally justified or not. Slavery has existed in human history for thousands of years — does that make it right?

So yeah, if your whole argument is “it happens in nature = it’s good,” that’s not only weak, it’s dangerous.

If course some brains are obviously going to be wired more for that as also evidenced in the mouse utopia experiments

It occurs due to different brain development of individuals. Only a retarded retard thinks that everyone has same brain.

Nice mindless rant.

Yes see the mouse utopia experiments. It is natural and it occurs due to over population in some areas combined with prosperity.

Well, I 'have to,
I 'look for information based on my imagination and logic,
One comes up with an untested theory, then 'ideally tests or reads other people's tests on the subject.

I mean it 'could be that animals have no idea or hunger the opposite sex, and just hump everything.
But then why do various male animals compete and literally butt heads and horns with other males, in order to gain the females?

Sure some animals engage in homosexual behaviors,
But other times if some male is head of the pack of females,
If some other male approaches him in a homosexual advance,
I can imagine the alpha male just responding with irritation, anger, violence, and killing, defending their instinct value to monopolize the females over some homosexuals advances on them.

Mantises have pheromones and such I assume,
So I further assume they can tell male from female,
If a female mantis approaches another female mantis for sex,
Is that what female mantises usually 'look for,
Or maybe the second female mantis just goes straight to murdering and eating the homosexual female?
I don't know, I've not studied it.

What I do doubt is that studies or information about homophobic behaviors in animals to be popular with homosexuals and supporters of homosexuals.
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I don't have a 'certainty on my view of homophobia in other animals,
I've not studied it.

Bit subjective anyhow in definition maybe.
And I don't mean to push my view on others.

But it's not a view I'm center agnostic unknown on,
I've leanings of imagination, theory, and logic.

as LucyStarfire said, better not trust your imagination, no offense

I dont trust your imagination. All your claims are wrong.

I'd imagine there are examples of homophobia in nature.
And not just in humans I mean.

Nature is the best instructor too. If your homophobia isnt found in nature, it is probably unnatural.

I think people sometimes have different ideas in their mind, by what they mean by nature or natural.

Rabies for example, occurs in nature, 'but if a person see's a wolf foaming at the mouth and other rabies actions, they might say, "That's not natural."
Course, rabies isn't 'so much inborn in a wolf. . .
Genetic diseases then, suppose a wolf was born albino, people might say "That's not natural."

Sure that's just natural selection and chance, but the norm, normal and natural, depend on what box you're putting them in.
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That said, I'm sure there are various homosexual organisms in nature,
And some organisms that change sex.

I am Meowist. Meowbahh is trans. So I am all for that stuff.

are you hinduist?

My God is trans too.