1500
rating
13
debates
38.46%
won
Topic
#6359
Casual debate: Religion is beneficial
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- One week
- Max argument characters
- 1,000
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Winner selection
- Voting system
- Open
1500
rating
15
debates
60.0%
won
Description
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Round 1
Does religion benefit society and individual?
These two are connected. As religion improves society, society can work better for individual. As religion improves individual, individual improves society as a result. My opponent might bring up cases of individuals who use religion as excuse to do wrong things, but that is correlation causation fallacy. If religion caused people to do wrong things, we would see religious societies be much worse. But opposite is true. Countries ran by atheist leaders such as Stalin and Mao were among worst countries on Earth. Religious people are less depressed and less suicidal. This is important because people who are less depressed are better able to help others and improve society. Science has already proved many mental health benefits of religion, and these are important as they bit by bit improve society as a whole. We have seen atheist societies, and all have degraded in mental health and quality of life, simply because atheist world view has no morality, as free will cannot exist in atheist world. Free will is important, no moral system can work without it. In atheist world, choices are result of matter movement, human is like rock.
Religion is detrimental to individuals, society, and civilization in several ways. For individuals, it often imposes guilt, fear, and self-doubt, and discouraging critical thinking. It may suppress personal identity and autonomy by demanding strict conformity to dogmatic beliefs. In society, religion frequently fuels division by promoting an “us vs. them” mentality, leading to discrimination, persecution, and even violence against those with differing beliefs or lifestyles. Historically, religion has justified war, oppression, and social injustice, such as the subjugation of women and LGBTQ+ communities, while discouraging scientific inquiry and social progress. By prioritizing tradition over reason and encouraging blind faith, religion can stifle innovation, hinder human rights advancements, and prevent societies from addressing global challenges. Ultimately, its influence risks perpetuating outdated values and obstructing the growth of a more just and enlightened civilization.
Round 2
Forfeited
Ladies and gentlemen, it is with a heavy heart (and a slightly lighter workload) that I announce my opponent has bravely chosen to forfeit this round. While I was looking forward to a spirited exchange of ideas, I understand that sometimes the sheer magnitude of my arguments—or perhaps the allure of a well-timed snack break—can be overwhelming. Let us take a moment of silence for my opponent’s valiant attempt, cut tragically short by unforeseen circumstances (or maybe just a Wi-Fi outage). May their future debates be filled with courage, strong coffee, and a much more reliable internet connection. Rest in peace, dear adversary, in the hallowed halls of forfeited rounds everywhere!
Round 3
P1. If religion achieves enough wants of individual, religion is beneficial for that individual.
P2. Religion achieves enough wants of individual
C. Religion is beneficial for individual.
P1 is true because what is beneficial is meassured by what is wanted, what is desired, what benefits persons wants and interests, what is beneficial for persons goals. So no opposite premise here is possible.
P2 is also true as religion causes individual to live longer, increases life expectancy, gives motivation, reduces depression and hopelessness. With this, it benefits person's life and allows him to achieve more goals at basically no cost. So we see that without religion, individual achieves less wants, as he lives shorter, so opposite premise would be self-contradictive.
The topic doesnt include all religions, it just says religion(singular, one religion) is beneficial.
Likewise, this debate is essentially if the world without any religion would be better than world with some religion.
Further, as my opponent conceded that atheist countries were horrible, and that atheists do indeed have worse health outcomes, it stands proved that at least one religion is beneficial.
Lol. You must be joking. If I agreed with you and conceded, we'd both be wrong.
Religion, in general, has driven many wars. Here are just some:
- First Crusade
- Second Crusade
- Third Crusade
- Fourth Crusade
- Albigensian Crusade
- Northern Crusades
- Reconquista
- French Wars of Religion
- Thirty Years’ War
- Eighty Years’ War
- English Civil War
- Hussite Wars
- Maccabean Revolt
- Jewish–Roman Wars
- Battle of Badr
- Ethiopian–Adal War
- Taiping Rebellion
- Second Sudanese Civil War
- Lebanese Civil War
- Arab–Israeli Wars
- Indo-Pakistani Wars (especially over Kashmir)
- Sikh Wars
- Mormon Wars
- Troubles in Northern Ireland
- Bosnian War
As for individuals: Religion is detrimental when it suppresses independent thought, instills guilt or fear, and enforces rigid doctrines. It fosters intolerance or limit personal growth, preventing individuals from making autonomous choices and fully realizing their own potential.
And you claim religion is beneficial?? Shame on you.
I mean, sure, you can attack with that.
Are you arguing religion is ALWAYS beneficial? That is easy to disprove.
Agreed, even a casual debate needs like 3000 characters. I mean like the very, very, very simple ones.
imo even 10'000 chars aren't enough, it is a very controversial topic that needs to be analyzed from the inside as you said
1000 characters is not enough for that. if you want, we can make it serious debate. make it 10K
Both society and individual.
it stands vague. expand. beneficial for what? individual? society? humankind in general?
They are short debates.
are these debates genuine?