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pierree

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Dialectical materialism is more real than either Christianity or any Judaic religion

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Publication date: 07.10.2025 09:00PM
Last updated date: 07.19.2025 10:45PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 15,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

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AdaptableRatman

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Would love to have a serious debate with maybe someone who is affiliate with the topic.

Round 1

pierree

07.13.2025 08:14PM

Pro

Hi, and thank you for accepting the debate — I truly appreciate the opportunity to exchange ideas.

Dialectical materialism is socially and logically more realistic than the Judaic religions.

Let me clarify: I use the term “Judaic religions” to refer to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam — traditions rooted in scriptures that are believed to have been revealed by God. Unlike philosophical or ethical systems such as Buddhism, which often do not depend on divine authorship, these religions ground their legitimacy in sacred texts believed to be directly or indirectly dictated by a deity — the Torah by YHWH to Moses, the Bible as divinely inspired, and the Qur’an revealed to Muhammad.

Now, what is dialectical materialism?

It is a philosophical framework developed by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later expanded by Lenin and others. Dialectical materialism synthesizes Hegelian dialectics with a materialist view of history. Its central claim is that material conditions, not abstract ideas, drive historical development. It views social change as the result of contradictions within modes of production — particularly between classes — which lead to revolutionary transformation. Thought is seen as arising from social practice and not as an independent force.

Why is this framework more realistic than religious systems grounded in divine revelation?

Setting aside the social contributions made by religious institutions — such as aid to the sick or the poor — the philosophical core of revealed religion rests on premises that cannot be logically demonstrated. Arguments for the existence of God, such as the modal ontological argument, may appear rigorous but ultimately rely on abstract idealism rather than engagement with material conditions.

From a Marxist standpoint, such arguments invert reality by detaching thought from the concrete world. They serve ideological purposes, reinforcing existing power structures while mystifying the social and economic roots of belief. Rather than responding to the conditions of exploitation and alienation, these theological constructs uphold a metaphysical authority that distracts from real, lived contradictions.

In conclusion, dialectical materialism offers a more coherent and grounded framework for understanding human society and consciousness, rooted in observable, historical, and material processes — not in unverifiable metaphysical claims.

I look forward to your response and am happy to clarify any points.

AdaptableRatman

07.16.2025 08:14PM

Con

Forfeited

Round 2

pierree

07.16.2025 10:45PM

Pro

he was banned lol.

also he requested it so I think it ends here

AdaptableRatman

07.19.2025 10:45PM

Con

Forfeited

pierree

07.13.2025 08:16PM

#14

he was banned

pierree

07.13.2025 08:16PM

#13

I only can say porco dio

pierree

07.11.2025 06:07PM

#12

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@Shane.Roy

ohhh okay I understand I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, it was a translation and terminology problem.

Shane.Roy

07.11.2025 12:55PM

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@pierree

Islamism refers to a political ideology that seeks to implement Islamic principles in government and society. It is not the same as Islam, the religion.
So your statement - "Islamism, like Christianity and Judaism, is a Judaic and Abrahamitic religion,” — is technically false because Islamism is not a religion, whereas Christianity and Judaism are.

pierree

07.11.2025 11:33AM

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@Shane.Roy

islamism, like Christianity and Judaism, is a Judaic and Abrahamitic religion

Shane.Roy

07.11.2025 10:43AM

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@pierree

Ah, thought u meant real in the sense of having to prove their existence.
And you never mentioned Islamism in your title or description.

pierree

07.11.2025 06:52AM

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@Jocoqe

you're actually right at asking and I know it controversial the title so my apologies.
For more real(more realistic) I meant for the life application and how it is related with the formal logic application

Jocoqe

07.11.2025 06:44AM

Don’t get in which sense is Dialectical materialism “more real” than christianity /judaic religión? what is the debate about exactly? social description?

pierree

07.11.2025 06:15AM

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@sonicjustin95

the Marxist theory itself

pierree

07.11.2025 06:15AM

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@Shane.Roy

you're forgetting about islamism

Shane.Roy

07.11.2025 12:29AM

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@sonicjustin95

Never denied that Jesus was alive, I'm a firm believer in Christ.

sonicjustin95

07.11.2025 12:16AM

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@pierree

what even is "Dialectical materialism"

sonicjustin95

07.11.2025 12:15AM

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@Shane.Roy

Not really true, as we have evidence that people like Jesus DO in fact exist. 80% of Historians confess that Jesus was a real dude, and he really died on a cross

Shane.Roy

07.10.2025 11:00PM

This debate contains structural bias for the Con side.

Dialectical materialism can proven with documented history.
On the other hand, The whole concept of Christianity or Judaism is faith. Faith is fundamentally being - belief without proof.
The essence of a Christian or Judaic individual's morals are held according to their sacred text (Torah or Bible) - which again, cannot be proven with documented history.
If this debate strictly relies on concrete evidence, Con essentially has no ground to stand on.