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#6413
Allah is not male
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After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
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Round 1
How dare you claim Allah is male.
Allah is trans and gay, but not male.
"The provided sources, which comprise excerpts on debate tactics, logical argumentation, and a school of thought based on variations and natural selection, do not contain any direct information regarding religious figures, deities, or the concept of Allah's gender. Therefore, to address your query directly, I will draw upon general theological understanding (information not from the given sources) and then demonstrate how the debate methodologies outlined in the provided texts could be applied to disprove the claim.
To effectively disprove the claim that Allah is male, one can employ several debate tactics from the sources, primarily focusing on definitions, hidden assumptions, contradictions, and the necessity of proof.
Here's how to approach disproving the claim that Allah is male, applying principles from the sources:
1. Emphasise and Control Definitions:
The sources repeatedly stress the crucial role of defining every word in the topic. Failing to define key terms can lead to an "auto loss".
Information not from the given sources: In Islamic theology, Allah (God) is understood to be unique, transcendent, and incomparable to creation. Islamic texts and theological consensus assert that Allah has no partners, no offspring, and is beyond human attributes, including gender, physical form, or any biological characteristics. The concept of Tawhid (Oneness of God) means Allah is absolutely singular, and assigning gender would imply a biological nature or a need for a counterpart, which contradicts this fundamental principle.
Application using debate tactics:
One would challenge the definition of "male" as applied to the divine. If "male" is defined in a human, biological context, then by Islamic theological definition, Allah cannot be "male".
This creates a situation where the claim "Allah is male" is negated by definition. The sources note that a proper definition has the "power to negate countless arguments".
The claim would be false by anti-tautology, as the definition of Allah (being without gender) would exclude the concept of "male". An equation where "A =/= A" (e.g., Allah, by definition, is not gendered, yet is claimed to be male, creating a contradiction) results in a lack of equality.
2. Expose Hidden Assumptions and Contradictions:
Arguments often rely on "hidden premises" or "hidden assumptions" that are unstated but must be true for the argument to hold. Identifying these is a "perfect counter-argument".
Application using debate tactics:
The claim "Allah is male" depends on unprovable and undisprovable hidden assumptions that:
Divine beings can be accurately described using human-derived gender categories.
"Male" is a concept universally applicable beyond biological or human contexts.
By exposing these assumptions, one shows that the argument for Allah being male is unproved.
Furthermore, if the accepted theological definition of Allah asserts His transcendence from gender, then the claim "Allah is male" creates a direct contradiction. The sources advocate showing where an opponent's "goalpost leads" to expose "self negating goalpost", and this claim leads to a contradiction with fundamental Islamic theological principles.
3. Demand Proof for Premises:
A core strategy is to ask for proof for every premise or to assert that a premise is "unproved".
Application using debate tactics:
One would directly ask the person making the claim: "Can you prove that Allah has a gender?" or "How do you know Allah is male?" .
According to the sources, an argument is considered strong when its opposite premises are impossible. In this case, the opposite premise, "Allah is not male," is theologically asserted and supportable, making the claim "Allah is male" unprovable within its own theological framework.
By systematically applying these debate tactics, particularly by establishing and defending the theological definition of Allah as transcendent and non-gendered, one can logically dismantle the claim that Allah is male, exposing its reliance on inappropriate assumptions and internal contradictions."
One day, one day, one day
Sometimes I lay under the moon
And thank God I'm breathin'
Then I pray, "Don't take me soon
'Cause I am here for a reason"
Sometimes in my tears I drown
But I never let it get me down
So when negativity surrounds
I know someday, it'll all turn around because
All my life, I've been waitin' for
I've been prayin' for, for the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There'll be no more wars, and our children will play
One day (one day), one day (one day)
One day (oh-oh-oh)
One day (one day), one day (one day)
One day (oh-oh-oh)
It's not about win or lose
'Cause we all lose when they feed on the souls of the innocent
Blood-drenched pavement
Keep on movin' though the waters stay ragin'
In this maze, you can lose your way, your way
It might drive you crazy
But don't let it faze you, no way, no way
Sometimes in my tears I drown (I drown)
But I never let it get me down (get me down)
So when negativity surrounds (surrounds)
I know someday, it'll all turn around because
All my life, I've been waitin' for (waitin' for)
I've been prayin' for (prayin' for), for the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more (fight no more)
There'll be no more wars (no more wars), and our children will play
One day (one day), one day (one day)
One day (oh, oh, oh, oh-oh-oh, one day)
One day (one day), one day (one day)
One day (oh-oh-oh)
One day, this all will change, treat people the same
Stop with the violence, down with the hate
One day, we'll all be free and proud to be
Under the same sun, singin' songs of freedom like
Wah-yo (one day, one day), wah-yo, oh, oh (oh-oh-oh)
Wah-yo (one day, one day), wah-yo, oh, oh (oh-oh-oh)
All my life, I've been waitin' for
I've been prayin' for, for the people to say
That we don't wanna fight no more
There'll be no more wars, and our children will play
One day (one day), one day (one day)
One day (oh-oh-oh)
One day (one day), one day (one day)
One day (oh-oh-oh)
One day, one day, one day
Round 2
Be mine
Kiss and cry with your undeniable desire
I wanna look down from the top
Once everything is within my grasp
People always say "The world is at its end"
But right now these words hold a strange authority
I am walking hand in hand with fascination
But I will leave the rest for after I had a nap
I am doing whatever I please
But I wish someone would interfere
Cause I would surely win the fight
Be mine
Kiss and cry with your undeniable desire
I wanna look down from the top
Once everything is within my grasp
Its mine
If you have something you want
Dont take your eyes off it
"I want an absolute victory"
That is my plain and simple mantra
The angels found fault in their Goddess
And are gathering in unoccupied lands
Stars are twinkling in the sky above
And I can sense a storm coming
Say whatever you feel like
Change clothes in front of mirror again and again
Will you choose to be good or evil?
Be you!
Leave your mask on, whispering high and dry
Heroes are never judged
The triviality of old good and evil
Its you
If you dont like it, grow stronger than you were yesterday
There is no value in doing things half way
Take everything in one final step
Find me
Believe in me
And break me apart
I want it, I want it, I want it
The things I have yet to see
All the absurdities
In their shining glory
I want them, I was born out of my desire for them
And play time is over
Be mine
My name is an accomplice of instinct
A reason for action that will never betray me: its mine
Kiss and cry with your undeniable desire
I wanna look down from the top
Once everything is within my grasp!
Yeah, It's been a ride...
I guess I had to go to that place to get to this one
Now some of you might still be in that place
If you're trying to get out, just follow me
I'll get you there
You can try and read my lyrics off of this paper before I lay 'em
But you won't take this thing out these words before I say 'em
Cause ain't no way I'm let you stop me from causing mayhem
When I say 'em or do something I do it, I don't give a damn
What you think, I'm doing this for me, so fuck the world
Feed it beans, it's gassed up, if a thing's stopping me
I'mma be what I set out to be, without a doubt undoubtedly
And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony
No if ands or buts don't try to ask him why or how can he
From Infinite down to the last Relapse album he's still shit'n
Whether he's on salary, paid hourly
Until he bows out or he shit's his bowels out of him
Whichever comes first, for better or worse
He's married to the game, like a fuck you for Christmas
His gift is a curse, forget the earth he's got the urge
To pull his dick from the dirt and fuck the whole universe
I'm not afraid to take a stand
Everybody come take my hand
We'll walk this road together, through the storm
Whatever weather, cold or warm
Just let you know that, you're not alone
Holla if you feel that you've been down the same road
Ok quit playin' with the scissors and shit, and cut the crap
I shouldn't have to rhyme these words in the rhythm for you to know it's a rap
You said you was king, you lied through your teeth
For that fuck your fillings, instead of getting crowned you're getting capped
And to the fans, I'll never let you down again, I'm back
I promise to never go back on that promise, in fact
Let's be honest, that last Relapse CD was "ehhhh"
Perhaps I ran them accents into the ground
Relax, I ain't going back to that now
All I'm tryna say is get back, click-clack BLAOW
Cause I ain't playin' around
There's a game called circle and I don't know how
I'm way too up to back down
But I think I'm still tryna figure this crap out
Thought I had it mapped out but I guess I didn't
This fucking black cloud still follow's me around
But it's time to exorcise these demons
These motherfuckers are doing jumping jacks now!
I'm not afraid to take a stand
Everybody come take my hand
We'll walk this road together, through the storm
Whatever weather, cold or warm
Just let you know that, you're not alone
Holla if you feel that you've been down the same road
And I just can't keep living this way
So starting today, I'm breaking out of this cage
I'm standing up, Imma face my demons
I'm manning up, Imma hold my ground
I've had enough, now I'm so fed up
Time to put my life back together right now
It was my decision to get clean, I did it for me
Admittedly I probably did it subliminally for you
So I could come back a brand new me, you helped see me through
And don't even realise what you did, believe me you
I been through the ringer, but they can do little to the middle finger
I think I got a tear in my eye, I feel like the king of
My world, haters can make like bees with no stingers, and drop dead
No more beef flingers, no more drama from now on, I promise
To focus only on handling my responsibility's as a father
So I solemnly swear to always treat this roof like my daughters and raise it
You couldn't lift a single shingle on it
Cause the way I feel, I'm strong enough to go to the club
Or the corner pub and lift the whole liquor counter up
Cause I'm raising the bar, I shoot for the moon
But I'm too busy gazing at stars, I feel amazed and
I'm not afraid to take a stand
Everybody come take my hand
We'll walk this road together, through the storm
Whatever weather, cold or warm
Just let you know that, you're not alone
Holla if you feel that you've been down the same road
Round 3
Good songs
Yes
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How do either of you expect to finish this in time?